Tool Trust Issues.

[MrTealy]

Not sure if this is the right place for the subject, but I received advanced TT the other night , and when I came on today it had gone, I spoke briefly with an admin explaining the issue, to which the admin gave me it again, however nothing has changed prop limit wise and tool options are still restricted. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.

 

[raklo]

the prop limits sitting at 60 for me, and we've got a few of tools that are restricted to admins. what are you having problems with specifically toolgun-wise, and what's your prop limit looking like?

 

[Fanatic]

I have 120 props and like 60 effects I'm pretty sure. You might need adv-prop, new thing they added this iteration

 

[MrTealy]

I've just been informed about the prop limit I didn't notice it had been lowered, so it does look like it has been restored to my character the only thing I'm unable to do now is use no collide for example building a wall etc .

 

[MrTealy]

I did have a 150 limit on the props last night

 

[BMY]

Seems to have been updated to 60 props and 10 effects or something like that.

 

[MrTealy]

No problem thankyou for your help guys. It's much appreciated

 

[slug]

So, wait, to clarify: Advtt + Advprop gives you 60 props max?

I hope I'm misinterpreting this.

 

[TankNut]

Advanced prop protection was merged with advanced tooltrust almost a week ago, prop limits were lowered to 60 props, 10 effects and 3 ragdolls for advanced tooltrust and 30, 5 and 0 for basic earlier today.

If you can't get by with 60 props for your 1 apartment then you're probably the reason this was done in the first place. While the server can handle the load that doesn't mean every player's PC will be able to as well.

 

[slug]

Advanced prop protection was merged with advanced tooltrust almost a week ago, prop limits were lowered to 60 props, 10 effects and 3 ragdolls for advanced tooltrust and 30, 5 and 0 for basic earlier today.

If you can't get by with 60 props for your 1 apartment then you're probably the reason this was done in the first place. While the server can handle the load that doesn't mean every player's PC will be able to as well.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree here, whether or not that means much.

60 props is plenty fine for merely decorating one's apartment, no problem. Skimming some of the finer details one wouldn't need worry. But just about everything else? I'm thinking back to some of the "area" dupes that people used to set up that would create entirely new roleplay areas, such as some of the things that were built in the Grotto alleyway. This depletes a lot of creativity from people.

Any project larger than merely decorating one's apartment is going to need more hands now, and I think that's an unnecessary obstacle. 150 was a sweetspot and I think it would have been plenty fine.

Sure, if every player out of 128 put down 150 props, it'd be insane. But not once did that ever happen last iteration where every player had an obscene amount of props, and the prop limit was enormous compared to what we have with Eternity-- The only times that happened were when one or maybe two people placed a great deal of props in a dupe or something, and if someone's dupe is causing an issue I don't see why they can't just be notified of it to skim it down instead of putting a constrictive measure in place for everyone.

People do a lot more building than just decorating their little apartments. It's a large part of the reason why gmod is used for roleplay in the first place: Because its a sandbox that allows you to create and change your immediate environment.

 

[Benji Dooble]

the grotto alleyway dupe definitely wasnt over 60 props thats wild

 

[slug]

the grotto alleyway dupe definitely wasnt over 60 props thats wild

You may be thinking of a different one, there were plenty to go around.

 

[slug]

And if I really need to vindicate myself for whatever reason the CCH-C communal was maybe near 70-80 props, so I hope that early comment about 'being the reason why this was implemented' wasn't directed at me, or anyone in C block as a matter of fact. I'm not worried about people decorating their apartments because as I said, 60 is plenty for that, and to my knowledge most people never even got close to exceeding 150 with their apartment alone.

I'm worried about people who build large RP areas for numerous people and are now stuck with a slim as balls amount of props to work with. I'm worried about people who make hubs, people who care about trying to create detail and immersion in roleplay areas. I'm worried about people that build multiple spaces at once for different groups, even. If you're building for yourself, I understand having a limit at 60, but for others is a worthy cause to have more.

The server's smoothness may dip a little bit when people are allowed to exercise a bit of detail but I think that's a worthy trade-off on a roleplay server. Lamps, stream radio, advanced particle tool are all things we use/have used in the past that can cause some serious, serious performance issues, and we've gotten by simply having admins moderate their usage.

Preventive measures in the script < Giving people the tools and enforcing etiquette of use.

 

[raklo]

is there any way to compromise and add a flag/other tier of prop trust for people that can be trusted to not drop 150 props on their sick house

 

[Fanatic]

is there any way to compromise and add a flag/other tier of prop trust for people that can be trusted to not drop 150 props on their sick house

I agree. It'll also be helpful for events later on down the line. I can imagine for work shifts, having the little props as well as larger ones to set u pa warehouse can easily go over 60

 

[slug]

is there any way to compromise and add a flag/other tier of prop trust for people that can be trusted to not drop 150 props on their sick house

This would be really nice, as much as I'd argue against the current proplimit being for advtt.

Another tier would be nice if it wasn't handed out like candy, otherwise we're back to square one. Just for the love of god don't make it a donation option.

I agree. It'll also be helpful for events later on down the line. I can imagine for work shifts, having the little props as well as larger ones to set u pa warehouse can easily go over 60

Near almost every non-apartment dupe goes over 60 props.

 

[kiwi]

Agreed, maybe handle it in a similar fashion to how event flags are (were) approved?

 

[Foxicus]

Near almost every non-apartment dupe goes over 60 props.

but dude my clutter ;(

 

[slug]

I've only had to deal with this for about a total of a full day now and I'm already dead tired of it.

60 props is nonsensical for a roleplay medium in a sandbox. The only thing this has done is just force people to chop their dupes in half and then get another player to paste the other half.

Performance isn't plagued that bad, even for the worst of computers. And any detriment to performance has been an accepted payoff for the ability to decorate since the beginning of time.

If you are still then worried about people's builds causing problems, that's sort of an admin's reason to be, as they have done for years.

Please set it back or add a new trust level because it's downright atrocious at 60 if you're trying to even implicate a taste of immersion in a roleplay hub.

 

[bennet]

no