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[Anony]

Excellent. You dissected IC issues. It's too bad the roleplay didn't take place but toasts did. That's not his fault. You're wasting your time here.
E: thank you for editing a point into your nonsensical post about circumstances and circumventions to a roleplay that happened.
Radio? Gee, it sure sucks Sid's character didn't have your hindsight.
Unidentified person entering the issue? Sid wouldn't have followed standard procedure (potentially) because he was escorting a combine asset.
IC quartermaster? IC guards and staff is hopefully not a thing because that's fuckin retarded.
Event character? No such thing. It was roleplayed. Stop disputing that.
Dispatch? Not everyone roleplays it effectively and it's generally a per player basis how it is operated. If no-one was keeping track of him, he wasn't kept track of.

Since we hit a new page.

 

[xeanos]

:^)

Toast approaches Sid(the legend)'s CP unit.
Toast convinces Sid that he is a new unit and asked to see MadWetUndies' FC for an interview
- A radio exists in game for this. Was MadWetUndies actually online at the time? Are people's character's still present even when they aren't there? So far everyone in this thread is saying no.

Apparently MadWetUndies was online but I can be sure that why a zero-four failed to radio FC is an IC issue to be taken IC and that unit needs to be disciplined as such.

Sid says ok. Brings Toast into the Nexus without searching him.
- At which point someone unidentified was in the nexus. Did anyone use dispatch to communicate this? That's an automated system that would've pretty much alterted every unit available if it wasn't radioed in.

Who saids Toast wouldn't be caught immediately? Are we supposed to just ignore infiltration attempts now? Yes, from an IC perspective Toast would be reported. Its wise to say he was reported.

Both parties head for the armory.
In the armory toast pulls a gun on Sid and tells Sid to undress or he is going to kill him
- The CCA has quarter masters. There no way the armory was abandoned. Again, are characters present even when they aren't online? If the answer is no, why was Toast let into the nexus to begin with?

The armory was not abandoned but it could be empty; after all anything could be happening at this point in the Nexus as it is hell week.

Sid plays a character and that character doesn't want to die
Sid undresses all his gear
Toast incapacitates sid and ties him up
- In the armory that's completely abandoned without anything remotely resembling a camera? Right. If you admit a camera exists, was dispatch used? I'm going to guess no.

Toast would be very well recorded, indeed. Units would be on their way to the armory as soon as Toast was detected by whomever sits behind the console.

Toast wears Sid's gear and pretends to be Sid's unit.
- The event character who coincidentally matches toast's characters proportions pretty much exactly despite being a different gender? Please.

Toast can fit inside Sid's clothes and wade about in them as much as he wants to.

Toast goes about his way in the nexus
- Was dispatch tracking his every move? There's clearly something suspicious going on at this point.

Dispatch is indeed tracking his every move

admins step in

All the IC issues off the top of my head. There's plenty of OOC issues too, but apparently none of those matter.

Nobody is saying Toast cannot be caught immediately. Its fully possible that Toast would be apprehended at the first possible sign that this kind of thing was going on. The point of this thread, if you didn't notice, that Toast was roleplaying something and instead of the faction he was attempting to infiltrate coming down on him like a ton of bricks and sticking him in a cell, what happens is that we as a team say "no, this roleplay is bullshit and couldn't happen because of radios and surveillance equipment". If we're going to roleplay the CCA being some big all seeing eye then why not roleplay this instead of just shutting it down as soon as we get an opportunity to make an actual incharacter example out of an infiltrator?

The point being, the situation wouldn't have even happened IC. It would've progressed to toast entering the nexus and have been shut down. Done.

no it wouldn't. several applicants where entering the nexus unrecorded. why does so much attention need to be brought to toast because he is the infiltrator?

 

[Scouser]

Do people really have trouble grasping the concept of IC actions having IC consequences, not OOC consequences?

 

[Claudius]

Nobody is saying Toast cannot be caught immediately. Its fully possible that Toast would be apprehended at the first possible sign that this kind of thing was going on. The point of this thread, if you didn't notice, that Toast was roleplaying something and instead of the faction he was attempting to infiltrate coming down on him like a ton of bricks and sticking him in a cell, what happens is that we as a team say "no, this roleplay is bullshit and couldn't happen because of radios and surveillance equipment". If we're going to roleplay the CCA being some big all seeing eye then why not roleplay this instead of just shutting it down as soon as we get an opportunity to make an actual incharacter example out of an infiltrator?

What exactly do you think would have happened if we took the cameras, dispatch, and realistic presence of the Combine IC?

We would have this exact same thread, except with the issue of "Claudius used a camera that wasn't there and pulled dispatch out of his ass" as the thread subject. The only reason you won't face the same problem is because we've already stopped the roleplay once.

 

[MemeTeamSupreme]

It seems like IC guards staff etc were once a thing. Can ee get a clarification on that from someone who isn't taking any sides? (Thats not a shot at anyone, I just think an opinion from the grey would be better then the biased opinion that would be given by someone taking toast's side, or against him. Hugs and kisses XOXO)

 

[Hoplite]

how many players were on at the time? you guys can all say he would have been caught and the other half can agree and say "sure nobody is saying he couldn't" but realistically if the rp continued would it have been met with an appropriate response?

if not then i dont see much issue in preventing it from continuing (whether done so temporarily or not), but jfc its really been blown out of proportion.


e: and yeah sure ic guards etc are mostly bullshit but sometimes you have to make exceptions.

 

[K33f3!]

In an IC fashion, which is apparently all we're talking about? Yeah, pretty much. It's got a plethora of OOC issues, but those are irrelevant to the discussion.

You very much mistake the CCA's role in the universe of HL2.

Wait a minute Xeanos...

Are you telling me, instead of arbitrarly saying that the CCA is a near omnipotent force, that people should represent--dear I say, roleplay its workings and machinisms????

What're you, fucking crazy?

 

[MemeTeamSupreme]

You very much mistake the CCA's role in the universe of HL2.
Wait a minute Xeanos...
Are you telling me, instead of arbitrarly saying that the CCA is a near omnipotent force, that people should represent--dear I say, roleplay its workings and machinisms????
What're you, fucking crazy?

Were there enough people to even do it when this all was going on? Can't just be like "oh, 3 units on? LETS STORM THE NEXUS!!!"

 

[Caelum]

how many players were on at the time? you guys can all say he would have been caught and the other half can agree and say "sure nobody is saying he couldn't" but realistically if the rp continued would it have been met with an appropriate response?

if not then i dont see much issue in preventing it from continuing (whether done so temporarily or not), but jfc its really been blown out of proportion.


e: and yeah sure ic guards etc are mostly bullshit but sometimes you have to make exceptions.

There were like... 5, 6 units on at the time? Most of which were recruits.

 

[Arzalis]

Do people really have trouble grasping the concept of IC actions having IC consequences, not OOC consequences?

None of the consequences were properly roleplayed. This isn't a matter of someone messing up IC.

There was no dispatch. There were no alerts, etc. That's an OOC issue that affected everyone IC because someone, at some point, didn't do what they were supposed to OOC. Characters were kept from acting as they should.

You very much mistake the CCA's role in the universe of HL2.

Wait a minute Xeanos...

Are you telling me, instead of arbitrarly saying that the CCA is a near omnipotent force, that people should represent--dear I say, roleplay its workings and machinisms????

What're you, fucking crazy?

They're pretty omnipotent in their own base. There's no singular person that roleplays dispatch and there never will be due to it's nature. It's an OOC fuck up. Wecome to one of the issues.

 

[xeanos]

my friends of the admin team

obviously you cannot see the point i am making

toast can come on today and repeat this. i will roleplay what will happen at the appropriate time of it happening. i will do it and i will face whatever bickerings toast wants to throw at me but unfortunately you cannot oocly shut down sound roleplay

 

[K33f3!]

None of the consequences were properly roleplayed. This isn't a matter of someone messing up IC.

There was no dispatch. There were no alerts, etc. That's an OOC issue that affected everyone IC because someone, at some point, didn't do what they were supposed to OOC. Characters were kept from acting as they should.


They're pretty omnipotent in their own base. There's no singular person that roleplays dispatch and there never will be due to it's nature.

You're right, you should just roleplay's everyones character.

 

[Arzalis]

What?

 

[K33f3!]

You are a pretentious cunt who doesn't understand why somebody would roleplay fallibilty in their character.

 

[MemeTeamSupreme]

You are a pretentious cunt who doesn't understand why somebody would roleplay fallibilty in their character.

I suppose such can be said about half the resistance

 

[Arzalis]

You are a pretentious cunt who doesn't understand why somebody would roleplay fallibilty in their character.

I am pretty pretentious sometimes, but

who doesn't understand why somebody would roleplay fallibilty in their character.

How the hell are you getting that?

 

[K33f3!]

Half the roleplayers at TnB.

You are implying, Azralis, that Sid somehow made a mistake in his roleplay (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), and that he wasn't making the decision to represent his character as hoodwinked by an improbable ploy.

 

[xeanos]

this is the wrong thread for petty bickerings shut up

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

We have a picture of some guy talking to them, funny that you say that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf9p_4r7fHkyeah we did

RIP 58975, you were a godsend.

Also, the fact that this seems like a totally scripted event (Sids character not contacting the FC that was mentioned to be contacted) and that they immediately went into the armory seems bonkers to me. It doesn't hold effect or that each amount of consequence that would happen such as an actual rebel participating in rebel activities on S1.

 

[MemeTeamSupreme]

Half the roleplayers at TnB.

I can give you that one. That's really not a valid point, nonetheless. No one seems to roleplay fallibility just because 99% of the community doesn't want to feel like a fuck up.