Ban Request : Rowtree

[saetia]

i'm on the fence with Rowtree

I like him a lot just as a person to talk to and RP with, and partaking in his events has spewed some of the most fun I've had this iteration and have been massively developmental for my character, and i want to be able to continue taking a part of his storytelling

but the frequency to which he does retarded shit and throws around his power as an admin is quite frightening, to be blunt

 

[Spartan5150]

good afternoon ladies and gentlemen

I apologise for what must seem like an extremely long absence but I was at a poetry event with friends and determined not to let this ruin my evening.

(Believe me, being part way through one of the sickest slams I've seen only to be interrupted by your phone vibrating with steam messages informing me of this thread is not a good way to go.)

I will post my defence against these accusations momentarily, I just wanted to post so you all know I'm not actually dead.

Honey, it stops being an accusation when it is fact.

 

[Rowtree]

I'll start off by reposting this.

Please, try to keep this thread on topic. I don't want this to spiral out of control, if you have supporting evidence or have experience similar abuses at the hands of Rowtree, here is the chance to speak up.

The first part considerably so. Now, onwards to my defence.


Article One - 26th October.
The canals issue regarding whatever kidnapping happened.

It happened. There. I ain't gonna gloss over it. It was the reason I took the four day LOA and sobered myself up. I'd come on Teamspeak to say good nights to a few people when I'm battered with 'SHOTCOP HAPPENING GET ON COAST WE NEED YOUR SHOTCOP MUSIC'. Begrudgingly I joined the server to see that some people had been kidnapped, or something. I don't remember too good. Keep in mind that it's about 6:00am GMT, and I'd been up all the night, and I had a lecture at 12pm that day.

And I fucked up. I even admitted it in those logs Spartan kindly posted. I fucked up, and I admitted it, and I took time off that week to focus on sobering myself up. (Despite the story I like to spin in teamspeak about smoking a joint straight after saying that, I actually did not touch much substance during that week.)

I came back on the Friday that week to help with something on the city. I'd actually turned steam friends off and was roleplaying on a new character for the most part of that time, until I came back 'officially' later that night and resumed work on plot.

Yes, I fucked up. I took a 4 day LOA, calmed my head and decided I'd rather just focus on story than actually getting involved in anything. And you know what? Since then, the only things I've actually roleplayed on my resistance characters is handing out beer at a bar on City 8 at 3am before heading off to sleep, and that was yesterday.

Truth is, I just have little reason to roleplay my characters outside of events, I don't find it interesting, I dislike playing on the coast, and the City is dead most of the time when I'm playing. (During the day, GMT.)

Article Two

10:42 PM - Rowtree: I know and it's a problem because it's just this shit like
10:42 PM - Rowtree: if you have the tools to metagame it'll happen

You claim this is an admission to metagame, yet isn't it a simple truth? Give a man power and he will abuse that power, yadda yadda. You've heard the quote before, and likely presented better than I could.
If you have the tools to metagame, it'll happen, that's just a fact. It's not about metagaming, but acting on that information. Everyone's gonna know something they shouldn't know, it's acting on that information that becomes the issue, and while I've admitted to the earlier article, the next few accusations, I'll defend entirely.

A few weeks prior, I was conducting some operation stuff with the CCA, planning to sell out Crenshaw to buy some respite and we'd organized this elaborate meeting, isolating who was where with OUR folks in the city monitoring the hand-off and conversation subsequent with god knows how many intel operatives also shadowing my people or being shadowed by the OUR. What followed was an incredibly tense exchange regarding Crenshaw and Poincare because their actions impact the resistance et al and Crow was done dealing with the Brotherhood so he was gonna sell em out and move on.

I will say this straight up:

I have never dealt with Crow. Ever.
I have dealt with your boys, and often brought them on my events, but direct actually roleplay between you and my? Not in the immediate past. Maybe back when the coast first started.

I have never dealt with you. The brotherhood has never dealt with you. The brotherhood is an event faction designed to provide hostilities to the Union on a far grander scale than City 17, a reminder that the world outside the servers we provide is still ticking on and still happening. In fact, just last Saturday I did a small plot event with Kestrel and Sid, where I basically gave them both access to the entire interior of the Brotherhood, how and where to strike at them and how to deal with them. In short: I gave Overwatch details and plot on how to combat them, when to combat them, and was even planning events where that would happen.

I have not ever dealt with Crow on the Brotherhood, or to go one step further, on Poincaré or even Crenshaw. Neither of them have ever interacted with Crow, nor have any reason to. Crenshaw stays in the City, and Louis is far too busy dealing with more important issues than a trumped up Resistance who thinks they're too big for their boots.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but- Considering the Brotherhood is an event faction, I.E. Only come up on events and have no further impact to the coast other than the overall plotline of the Air Exchange which they even gave to OUR and the City 17 Resistance to deal with on their own terms, wouldn't it be vital that I know your plans to attack an event faction so I can plot around that and assist you in your actions?

The Brotherhood is not, and will not ever be a player faction. It is not something that exists in the coast in an active role. They provide storyline to the Resistance and to the CCA.

I found out about your events through simply being in observe at the time. I was not involved in anything on the server. I did not break any roleplay to come straight to watching over you.

I was watching you in observe. And hey, guess what?

You're not the only person I watched. You're not the only person the administration team watch.

9 times out of 10, we are not roleplaying on the City, we're watching over the playerbase and sitting invisibly in that one dark corner watching your deepest, darkest ERPs.

Infact, thinking back over that event, I was half AFK in observe half the time watching youtube videos. I simply do not care what you do on this server, who you fight, who you try to sell out or anything.

What does not change is the fact that Crenshaw has never actually dealt with Crow, and the Brotherhood even less so.

So how can you be sick of a faction, and try to sell out two characters that have barely, (if ever) interacted with your specific character?

I don't know why we've allowed this kind of thing to continue but almost immediately after that, Rowtree's characters immediately changed their ways, never meeting with Crow, refusing to talk to Crow and only working with people tied to Crow when I wasn't online or around.

Also, to go back t the timezone points. You're PST, I'm GMT. That's an 8 hour difference. Not only that, but I'm at University, my time is spent socialising with friends and snorting lines of coke going to gigs in Camden.

I'm an entertainer, I'm at Uni to study theatre and story telling, it's what I do, it's a hobby.

I'm sorry I can't be on to interact with you all the time, Spartan, but your associates are on far more often than you are. I 'work' with them because Jules and ItsTheEnd are tied to my storylines, and it would be absolutely ridiculous (and not to mention entirely metagaming) for me to cast them out of my events because of your dislike of me.

My characters never changed their ways to 'meet with you', Spartan.

It's because they never met you.





part two: electric boogaloo

Gravelord Smaug, on 09 Nov 2015 - 8:44 PM, said:

I don't hate you at all Miharu, and while we've disagree'd on East Wind in the past, I have the fortunate ability to forget why I dislike people the day after I fight.

For the interests of all who read, I'm gonna split up your post into parts to better explain my positioning.

i'm talking in general. his attitude has been far too toxic to his peers for somebody that should be a rolemodel and representative of the server, somebody attempting to elevate it to a higher plane.
it even came to a point where he willy-nilly started using combine assets, that should only be deployed with the permission of high command, for "events". when he was questioned about why the fuck he's doing something he's not authorized to do, like "scare people with a chopper", that he doesn't know how to roleplay, he outright refused to even communicate with HC and argued the point ad infinitum. logs of that can be provided if anybody wishes for it. there are countless examples of this, to put it boldly, idiotic behaviour. once every two or three weeks, during regular conversation with my steam friends, i get notified of this type of shit happening over and over again. alcohol is most definitely not an excuse, and mistakes such as these, that happened so many times in the past, simply showcase a pattern that's not going to stop any time soon.

my attitude has been about as 'toxic' as yours. We've both had our share of disagreements in the playerbase.

Let me share you a screencap with my playtime.

48 hours in the past two weeks. I simply have barely been getting on. I'd actually like you to post times when I've been, as you claim 'toxic to his peers'. If you're referring to the Administration team, then please do say.


This argument about using a hunter-chopper on the coast, right.


For clarification, let me tell you the current ruling.

"No Combine Assets are allowed to be used on the Coast without the permission of High Command'

I'm sure you're scrolling through the Combine forum to see this posted, well, hard luck. I just wrote that.

Let me state this for you Miharu; I, and several other admins were not aware of this ruling at the time when I did the event, which even then was a response to the fact that some idiot pushed the alarm button in NLO and build ridiculously obvious barricades that needed to be destroyed.

Had I been aware of the ruling at the time, I wouldn't have done it. But this wasn't written anywhere, certainly not in the administration board, where you'd think such information would be very important.

I argued with High Command because it's a dumb rule and I disagree'd with it.

Am I not entitled to argue my points? Or am I supposed to sit down, shut up, and agree with the ruling classes? Regardless of my own opinion on it, I'd like you to find proof that after this discussion with Spartan that I've spawned any others. I haven't. After that event, I have not spawned a single combine asset on the coast. The 'law' is the law, regardless of how much I disagree with it.

there are countless examples of this, to put it boldly, idiotic behaviour. once every two or three weeks, during regular conversation with my steam friends, i get notified of this type of shit happening over and over again. alcohol is most definitely not an excuse, and mistakes such as these, that happened so many times in the past, simply showcase a pattern that's not going to stop any time soon.

I'm asking for these logs, please, do share.

his punishment for the metagame shown in the OP, because nobody called him out on it until now, was banning himself for a week -- as if "self harm" in that sense is somehow ample for breaking a roleplaying ruleset as holy as metagaming, as an admin even.

>holy rules

what the fuck is this nonsense. Players break rules all the time, admins break rules all the time.

You claim that I banned myself for my own self pity, to garner support, when in reality I pretty much did what I said on the tin. (No, I didn't go to rehab, I went to my lectures and stopped partying as hard as I did in the first three weeks of uni. And anyone who's been to uni will vouch for the three weeks of partying.)

i concur with the request in the OP, for his admin to be permanently removed and him being given a break from the server to think about his attitude and hopefully rectify his mistakes. now, i've got my own faults and have fucked things up before, but god damn it happens every few months, not every week or two. and i'm sure that applies to most, if not all the other administrators.

Again, the burden of proof is not on me, but on you. I do not have to defend myself from accusations that you haven't backed up with evidence.

as a player, he's got more than most to offer to the server i'd imagine. but as an admin he simply has to go. i'm sorry rowtree, this really isn't personal, i know we don't like each other, but i'm simply stating what's best for the server.

and now's the part where my story comes in.


No, I don't have anything to offer the server as a player.

I sit in a bar on Jonathan Crenshaw playing my radio tunes and sitting AFK watching youtube videos.
The last time I roleplayed on the Coast was when SealGunman was still an admin.

I'm not here to sit around on my characters talking about when times were good. I'm here to tell a story, I'm here to provide conflict and something for the players to go away from my events saying 'What can I take away from that to further my character?'

To refer to what I said earlier, I'm a storyteller. I dedicate a few hours of my time a day to get on and further a story on a roleplay server on Garry's Mod.

This is a hobby, not a job. I enjoy telling stories and inviting people in to involve themselves in and further the stories themselves. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy actually roleplaying, but I have so little time nowadays that to sit down for three-four hours roleplaying is simply impossible, thus I have to make do with my few hours a day after Uni to get on and do events for people, where if I'm called away, I don't have to make my partner sit around and wait for thirty minutes while I cook food on a shitty old stove.


tl;dr,

 

[Spartan5150]

What does not change is the fact that Crenshaw has never actually dealt with Crow, and the Brotherhood even less so.

So how can you be sick of a faction, and try to sell out two characters that have barely, (if ever) interacted with your specific character?


I'm sorry I can't be on to interact with you all the time, Spartan, but your associates are on far more often than you are. I 'work' with them because Jules and ItsTheEnd are tied to my storylines, and it would be absolutely ridiculous (and not to mention entirely metagaming) for me to cast them out of my events because of your dislike of me.

My characters never changed their ways to 'meet with you', Spartan.

It's because they never met you.

Most of your essay, while I read it is mostly absurdity with how you are innocent and have nothing to offer as a player.

This is the part I care about, You mean all of the time during the Dust? Or at Vanguard? Or at the event operation in which you came to me to plan and bring folks in to take down the "BIG GUN" a la quake 2?

I guess I must have imagined all of those character interactions, I guess I must have imagined all of the times your "events" have had consequences that have impacted all of the characters on the coast, there is certainly no reason for any of the above RP. I'm glad though that you've decided that your "event faction" is better than any player faction and is too busy to interact.

I'm gonna go back to writing fanfiction.net articles because I guess that's what I've been doing everytime we interact with eachother. Timezones aside.

 

[shotcopper 9000]

can someone whose eyes aren't turning square and also inside out from lack of sleep provide cliffnotes tia

 

[saetia]

can someone whose eyes aren't turning square and also inside out from lack of sleep provide cliffnotes tia

spartan: rowtree you've done some fucked up shit

rowtree: yeah but i also do good shit not with you

spartan: no you're lying

 

[shotcopper 9000]

i wish i hadn't asked now

 

[Rowtree]

Most of your essay, while I read it is mostly absurdity with how you are innocent and have nothing to offer as a player.

This is the part I care about, You mean all of the time during the Dust? Or at Vanguard? Or at the event operation in which you came to me to plan and bring folks in to take down the "BIG GUN" a la quake 2?

I guess I must have imagined all of those character interactions, I guess I must have imagined all of the times your "events" have had consequences that have impacted all of the characters on the coast, there is certainly no reason for any of the above RP. I'm glad though that you've decided that your "event faction" is better than any player faction and is too busy to interact.

I'm gonna go back to writing fanfiction.net articles because I guess that's what I've been doing everytime we interact with eachother. Timezones aside.

Now that rings more of a bell. While I don't recall us interacting during early coast, nor even much through the dust.

The gun event was entirely that, an event. I brought you into an event which, I hope, brought you some entertainment.

Nowhere did I say that the events that I run had no no consequences or impact on the Coast, far from it. In fact, I said that the event faction has no further impact on the coast other than the Air Exchange. What players do is their business. I said, and I'll quote it, "Brotherhood is an event faction, I.E. Only come up on events and have no further impact to the coast other than the overall plotline of the Air Exchange".

I wrote them with no desire to effect coast RP outside of the air exchange. OUR can still have their power, outside of the events, (and one could argue that since the majority of the playerbase on the coast is involved through them being told by other characters, they are brought in to the story through you.) My events do little to impact the power balance on the coast, and I've backed it up repeatedly by saying that I don't want to get involved in coast politics, and I've said, IC, that the Brotherhood are too busy with things outside of City 17 to actively take a role in this. If you want to fight an event faction, go for it, but as I said in my 'essay', if you want to actively attack the Brotherhood, then I kinda need to be in the know regarding it, considering it's my event faction and I need to be able to plot around these things.

I'll also state, as you mentioned Vanguard, Dust, and the Gun event that all of these were wayyyy back in the summer. Going back at least 3-4 months. Since then, we have not actively spoken with one-another. My character has not spoken with your character in four months. That's not a recent development, I have not gone out of my way to avoid you, I just simply haven't been around or engaged at the same times you have, and that's just how it do.

If you want to be snarky, Spartan, then go for it by all means. My event faction is just that, an event faction, and taking a non-active role is, y'know, kinda the point of an event faction. If they're around interacting with players on a daily basis, then they're not a fucking event faction, are they?

I can't play a player made faction solo, that's simply impossible, and thus, they're an event faction, and if you want to put it as 'too good for the players to interact with', then you probably are best going back to fanfiction.net

 

[Spartan5150]

I'll start off by reposting this.



The first part considerably so. Now, onwards to my defence.


Article One - 26th October.
The canals issue regarding whatever kidnapping happened.

It happened. There. I ain't gonna gloss over it. It was the reason I took the four day LOA and sobered myself up. I'd come on Teamspeak to say good nights to a few people when I'm battered with 'SHOTCOP HAPPENING GET ON COAST WE NEED YOUR SHOTCOP MUSIC'. Begrudgingly I joined the server to see that some people had been kidnapped, or something. I don't remember too good. Keep in mind that it's about 6:00am GMT, and I'd been up all the night, and I had a lecture at 12pm that day.

And I fucked up. I even admitted it in those logs Spartan kindly posted. I fucked up, and I admitted it, and I took time off that week to focus on sobering myself up. (Despite the story I like to spin in teamspeak about smoking a joint straight after saying that, I actually did not touch much substance during that week.)

I came back on the Friday that week to help with something on the city. I'd actually turned steam friends off and was roleplaying on a new character for the most part of that time, until I came back 'officially' later that night and resumed work on plot.

Yes, I fucked up. I took a 4 day LOA, calmed my head and decided I'd rather just focus on story than actually getting involved in anything. And you know what? Since then, the only things I've actually roleplayed on my resistance characters is handing out beer at a bar on City 8 at 3am before heading off to sleep, and that was yesterday.

Truth is, I just have little reason to roleplay my characters outside of events, I don't find it interesting, I dislike playing on the coast, and the City is dead most of the time when I'm playing. (During the day, GMT.)

So you aren't here to RP and parts of this don't really matter overly much, it being late doesn't excuse your actions, neither does being drunk. Part of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your actions. That attempt at "falling" on your sword because you had wronged was pretty clearly done to mitigate whatever actual punishment might have been levied against you. I really don't like that you've wrote this long drawn out thing because basically what you are telling me and everyone else is that the "old ways" of TnB debate is he who writes the most words wins regardless of what hard evidence exists and player testimony to the contrary.

Article Two


You claim this is an admission to metagame, yet isn't it a simple truth? Give a man power and he will abuse that power, yadda yadda. You've heard the quote before, and likely presented better than I could.
If you have the tools to metagame, it'll happen, that's just a fact. It's not about metagaming, but acting on that information. Everyone's gonna know something they shouldn't know, it's acting on that information that becomes the issue, and while I've admitted to the earlier article, the next few accusations, I'll defend entirely.

I personally am involved with every rogue Auth and not a single one of them has been metagamed, I have immense power as the Sector Commander with intimate knowledge of peoples characters and their goals in addition to being the final gatekeeper for what does and doesn't go down with Bennet and there isn't a single instance of Metagaming. "Power Corrupts" why don't you lay off the pseudo intellectual bullshit and focus on the fact that in this volunteer position you hold, you've been a scumbag to the detriment of the people you claim to be trying to help or even to the principles that we accept as "we don't do this thing because it's bad."

I will say this straight up:

I have never dealt with Crow. Ever.
I have dealt with your boys, and often brought them on my events, but direct actually roleplay between you and my? Not in the immediate past. Maybe back when the coast first started.

I have never dealt with you. The brotherhood has never dealt with you.

False. That's fine though, I had an alcoholic mother and I know that it does a great deal to harming your long term memory so I'm not surprised that you don't remember this.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but- Considering the Brotherhood is an event faction, I.E. Only come up on events and have no further impact to the coast other than the overall plotline of the Air Exchange which they even gave to OUR and the City 17 Resistance to deal with on their own terms, wouldn't it be vital that I know your plans to attack an event faction so I can plot around that and assist you in your actions?

If I trusted you, that would have been the case as is usually the case with most of the people I RP with. I've never seen an incident of you not playing two dimensional card board cut outs who's biggest claim to fame is that as an admin you can spawn whatever you like for yourself and you force the entire server to listen to Whiskey River.

The Brotherhood is not, and will not ever be a player faction. It is not something that exists in the coast in an active role. They provide storyline to the Resistance and to the CCA.

I found out about your events through simply being in observe at the time. I was not involved in anything on the server. I did not break any roleplay to come straight to watching over you.

I was watching you in observe. And hey, guess what?

You're not the only person I watched. You're not the only person the administration team watch.

9 times out of 10, we are not roleplaying on the City, we're watching over the playerbase and sitting invisibly in that one dark corner watching your deepest, darkest ERPs.

Infact, thinking back over that event, I was half AFK in observe half the time watching youtube videos. I simply do not care what you do on this server, who you fight, who you try to sell out or anything.

That part of the team should be removed. Bluntly. My opinions on this have been made super clear though so I don't know if I need to bash away at this. It's pretty obvious to everyone who has watched the situation what you have been doing.

What does not change is the fact that Crenshaw has never actually dealt with Crow, and the Brotherhood even less so.

So how can you be sick of a faction, and try to sell out two characters that have barely, (if ever) interacted with your specific character?

See my above post about FanFiction.net stories. I hear they are looking for moderators the contrived style of writing and poorly planned event setup leads me to believe you will excel there. I was fine with you rebutting until you started lying in your post.

Also, to go back t the timezone points. You're PST, I'm GMT. That's an 8 hour difference. Not only that, but I'm at University, my time is spent socialising with friends and snorting lines of coke going to gigs in Camden.

I'm an entertainer, I'm at Uni to study theatre and story telling, it's what I do, it's a hobby.

I don't get what this has to do with anything. I'm a Salesman I manage a team responsible for millions of dollars of revenue for my company, I have an associates in theatre arts and volunteer at my old high school to help teach kids the basics of technical theatre. I like to make my own beer and I like to volunteer my time here at TnB to /actually/ tell stories and ensure that folks are given every opportunity to be involved with what we can offer.

I'm sorry I can't be on to interact with you all the time, Spartan, but your associates are on far more often than you are. I 'work' with them because Jules and ItsTheEnd are tied to my storylines, and it would be absolutely ridiculous (and not to mention entirely metagaming) for me to cast them out of my events because of your dislike of me.

My characters never changed their ways to 'meet with you', Spartan.

It's because they never met you.

Jules and Itstheend are certainly on more than I am. I don't relaly need to respond to things that I've already given an answer for three other times. But it's very generous of you to not remove OUR people or RW people because of what up until this post was just me being really disappointed in you.

No, I don't have anything to offer the server as a player.

I sit in a bar on Jonathan Crenshaw playing my radio tunes and sitting AFK watching youtube videos.
The last time I roleplayed on the Coast was when SealGunman was still an admin.

I'm not here to sit around on my characters talking about when times were good. I'm here to tell a story, I'm here to provide conflict and something for the players to go away from my events saying 'What can I take away from that to further my character?'

To refer to what I said earlier, I'm a storyteller. I dedicate a few hours of my time a day to get on and further a story on a roleplay server on Garry's Mod.

Do you even consider what you type? Jesus Christ, I play a duo of NPC's at this point because of their relative positions within their respective factions, 05150 could still though be a player character and advance peoples stories, you play two "influentual" if only by the fact that you can auth your own nonsense characters that can have an impact beyond "Coast Teaparty"

This is a hobby, not a job. I enjoy telling stories and inviting people in to involve themselves in and further the stories themselves. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy actually roleplaying, but I have so little time nowadays that to sit down for three-four hours roleplaying is simply impossible, thus I have to make do with my few hours a day after Uni to get on and do events for people, where if I'm called away, I don't have to make my partner sit around and wait for thirty minutes while I cook food on a shitty old stove.

Hmm.

 

[shotcopper 9000]

good christ

 

[Rowtree]

So you aren't here to RP and parts of this don't really matter overly much, it being late doesn't excuse your actions, neither does being drunk. Part of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your actions. That attempt at "falling" on your sword because you had wronged was pretty clearly done to mitigate whatever actual punishment might have been levied against you. I really don't like that you've wrote this long drawn out thing because basically what you are telling me and everyone else is that the "old ways" of TnB debate is he who writes the most words wins regardless of what hard evidence exists and player testimony to the contrary.

And as I've said, I took the responsibilities. Whatever actual punishment might have been levied against me? As far as that entire event, nobody was talking about it the day after, me removing myself from play after I realised that I'd been a retard was definitely taking responsibility.

You claim that by suspending myself from duties for 4 days is avoiding punishment, when hold on a minute, didn't I just punish myself with exclusion? I never said that I'm falling on my own sword, or some other nonsense that you believe I was doing. Sometimes the truth really is in front of you. I knew I did a fuckup, so I took myself out for a few days to stop doing the dumb.

I really don't like that you've wrote this long drawn out thing because basically what you are telling me and everyone else is that the "old ways" of TnB debate is he who writes the most words wins regardless of what hard evidence exists and player testimony to the contrary.

ah yes of course, because I defended my argument that instantly me writing more words than you and trying to win the argument.

Newsflash: That's not how arguments work.
You presented your points, I presented mine.

I personally am involved with every rogue Auth and not a single one of them has been metagamed, I have immense power as the Sector Commander with intimate knowledge of peoples characters and their goals in addition to being the final gatekeeper for what does and doesn't go down with Bennet and there isn't a single instance of Metagaming. "Power Corrupts" why don't you lay off the pseudo intellectual bullshit and focus on the fact that in this volunteer position you hold, you've been a scumbag to the detriment of the people you claim to be trying to help or even to the principles that we accept as "we don't do this thing because it's bad."

That's good. I know the names of pretty much every GHOST agent on the coast and every undercover rebel on the city. What do I do with that information?

Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Your argument about being involved in rogue auths and not being metagamed can just as simply be countered by the fact that admins know pretty much who every ghost agent is, and guess what? We're not metagaming that.

See, claiming pseudo-intellectual bullshit on pretty fucking basic facts of life doesn't really apply when there's about 2000 years of history to back it up, but that's when we stray into the intellectual-history bullshit, and hooboy nobody wants that.

False. That's fine though, I had an alcoholic mother and I know that it does a great deal to harming your long term memory so I'm not surprised that you don't remember this.

As I posted up above, that was 3-4 months ago. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who remembers every single RP that they did 3-4 months ago, unless you collect RP logs of everything you ever do.

If I trusted you, that would have been the case as is usually the case with most of the people I RP with. I've never seen an incident of you not playing two dimensional card board cut outs who's biggest claim to fame is that as an admin you can spawn whatever you like for yourself and you force the entire server to listen to Whiskey River.

See: Here's where you start to lose traction. It's like you actively don't know what I do on the coast, or on the city, or in fact anything.

I do like the toast argument of 'waa muh cardboard cutouts' though, so B+ for effort in that regards.

And I'm not even going to get started on that last part, because hooo my god I've never seen someone so wrong before.

Now I trust you to do your job, I trust you do all that you do. If you don't trust me, that's fine. It's not the end of the world. Like, I'm sorry, but I honestly just do not care for your opinion on things. You run the CCA? Good for you. I run an event faction. That's just the way it is. The job doesn't require us to trust each other, but it helps.

That part of the team should be removed. Bluntly. My opinions on this have been made super clear though so I don't know if I need to bash away at this. It's pretty obvious to everyone who has watched the situation what you have been doing.

I already said what I was doing, sat in observe watching you.

Just like I do everyone else.
Just like the admin team does with everyone else.

You know, after I do events, I often go into observe and sit around the camp seeing what people are saying. Why?

So I can get their feedback in an indirect way, so I know what to improve on without them having to talk directly.

You aren't special when it comes to the admin team watching people, we do it to everyone, seriously. And if you have arguments against that, then that is completely fine, again, you're entitled to speak your opinion, but that is a topic for a different thread.

See my above post about FanFiction.net stories. I hear they are looking for moderators the contrived style of writing and poorly planned event setup leads me to believe you will excel there. I was fine with you rebutting until you started lying in your post.

And as I have said, politely for two posts now, that was three 3-4 month ago. We last interacted 3-4 months ago. I don't keep a record of my RP, I don't have the time nor social life to spend my time sifting through console logs for things. So, I will apologise for saying we've never interacted, but 4 months ago is pretty much forever ago in my books.

I mean, thanks for the compliment about fanfiction though, I'll definitely have to check it out! :)

I don't get what this has to do with anything. I'm a Salesman I manage a team responsible for millions of dollars of revenue for my company, I have an associates in theatre arts and volunteer at my old high school to help teach kids the basics of technical theatre. I like to make my own beer and I like to volunteer my time here at TnB to /actually/ tell stories and ensure that folks are given every opportunity to be involved with what we can offer.

Because just as you bring your life skills into your actions at TnB, so do I. That is exactly what my point is. My time is spent telling stories because hey, that's what I'm actually at university for.

I will admit, it was a tangent, because I felt it necessary to justify my actual reasoning for getting a pleasure of sitting in observe writing out /evs.

Jules and Itstheend are certainly on more than I am. I don't relaly need to respond to things that I've already given an answer for three other times. But it's very generous of you to not remove OUR people or RW people because of what up until this post was just me being really disappointed in you.

Of course, I don't like to metagame purposefully you see, and to remove players from events because of my disagreement with their boss would be completely absurd. I have stated this many times, I have no issues with OUR or RW people. I have nothing against you as a person, or as a player Spartan, and this I've made quite clear. If I was in the south california area, man I'd totally have a beer with you people. I do not hate you. I do not want to fight you. I do not want any ill will against you as a person because hating people over a goddang video game is literally the stupidest thing in the world.

Do you even consider what you type? Jesus Christ, I play a duo of NPC's at this point because of their relative positions within their respective factions, 05150 could still though be a player character and advance peoples stories, you play two "influentual" if only by the fact that you can auth your own nonsense characters that can have an impact beyond "Coast Teaparty"

i dont think npc is the right term

You know, as an admin, part of the part of actually being an admin is telling stories, is doing events and making event characters, you are of course, entirely welcome to do the same if you so wish through the Auths Board.

Crenshaw has no influence outside the fact that he's sociable. That's it. He has no power. He has absolutely no power, and he is absolutely 100% okay with that. He's influential only because of other people actually respecting his word. That's not authing an influential character, that's playing one.

As for the Brotherhood? Again, event faction. They only have weight in the coast because the players want them to.

If the players ever wanted me to stop this event chain, I would. Guess what. Nobody has.

So if we are to take your argument of me authing myself influential characters, that's kinda a moot point right?

You can be influential by playing a charismatic character,
Or you can't be influential because of your factional power.

Again, perfectly legitimate IC decisions.

Hmm.

???

I stand by what I said. It's a hobby, not a job. I'm at University, one of the most busiest times in my life. I don't have time to commit one hundred percent to the game, and that's not really a crime.

 

[Jackson]

Some people from SID have asked me to voice their concerns of how Rowtree does a crossover between role play & noclipping on his character Jonathan Crenshaw & why it's become a problem for us.

While they drive some major plots on server, Rowtree's characters have been seemingly untouchable over the past months, to the point where we've ceased our attempts to go after any of them due to the fact that they're seemingly omniscient and invincible. I honestly think this is because of his admin privileges, and such events could be avoidied if the privileges were revoked. The characters' apparent invincibility has been turning plots that are supposed to be dynamic-that's the point of role-playing together- into a linear plot that we're just on the ride for.

Essentially any time Crenshaw is near capture he alludes one way or another with noclip/ooc talking/seeall.

 

[Rowtree]

Some people from SID have asked me to voice their concerns of how Rowtree does a crossover between role play & noclipping on his character Jonathan Crenshaw & why it's become a problem for us.


Essentially any time Crenshaw is near capture he alludes one way or another with noclip/ooc talking/seeall.

Well I'm sorry SID feel that. Honestly, I've had no idea you guys were trying to get close to me, that's really all I've done for the past month though. I've barely been 'playing' crenshaw and mostly just been on him just because he's the first character on the list to admin on.

I'm sorry we've sort of got this misunderstanding in terms of this. But if you SID guys could throw me a steam PM, I'd be happy to sort out any specific times or dates when that's happened, mostly because I'm entirely ignorant on when you're doing operations to try and nab me!

 

[Jackson]

don't bullshit me dude I've personally witnessed you use seeall to see cops coming towards your shit or you noclipping away from something before it happens

just own up to it or give a reasonable explanation

 

[Blue]

Hng, hng hng hng hng, hng.

 

[Rowtree]

don't bullshit me dude I've personally witnessed you use seeall to see cops coming towards your shit or you noclipping away from something before it happens

just own up to it or give a reasonable explanation

I'm actually serious. I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about, honest to god and no bullshit.

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

I'm actually serious. I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about, honest to god and no bullshit.

Rowtree, I like you and I don't like to throw stones cause I live in a glass house... but I've personally seen you noclip away to evade the CCA, or SID.

 

[Rowtree]

Rowtree, I like you and I don't like to throw stones cause I live in a glass house... but I've personally seen you noclip away to evade the CCA, or SID.

I'm honestly telling the truth. I don't know what else to say. I honestly haven't done that intentionally if that's what's come across. I legitimately, honest to god, have not been doing that.

 

[Spartan5150]

I'm honestly telling the truth. I don't know what else to say. I honestly haven't done that intentionally if that's what's come across. I legitimately, honest to god, have not been doing that.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that you weren't doing something shady. Not on us.

It really should tell you something about your character and how its perceived when folks are inclined to believe that you are just abusing your admin to dip away from situations that don't benefit you.

 

[K33f3!]

You're asking him to prove a negative, other way around, Spartan.