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[TRP] randal / valerstein – Avoiding RP (disconnecting mid-S2RP)

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  1. Fitz

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    OOC Name: randal / valerstein

    SteamID: STEAM_0:0:29381578

    Character Name: Mikolaj

    What happened: I was driving a car down the road when Mikolaj yelled to stop the car I was in. I kept going, and he shot at me. I stopped the car further down the road and then shot him, as I had not realized he was trying to S2RP. He was taken back to the location, and from there we continued the RP upon my request after apologizing for my mistake. I went back to where I was, down the road next to the car, and we went on with it. He disappeared, and I went after him, running towards his position. I went well past where he was in the bushes, then came out of them again, at which point he PM'd me to halt and backtrack a bit. He was around a very long ways away (pictures included below), and then RP'd shooting a volley of automatic fire onto my position. My character sprinted forth into a lowered bit of cover in the ground, a bit of a ditch with a slight rise at the front, and he kept firing at me from that point. He never RP'd any shots hitting me, nor did he RP aiming at me even once, let alone careful aiming which would be required at such a distance with iron sights. Firing full auto with iron sights from a G3 which uses the 7.62 x 51 rifle cartridge is not very effective, in fact it is positively ineffective. From the noise the gun was making my character could tell the round it was firing, and know that at this distance it could go nothing. I RP'd aiming with my SVD which was at the ready in one emote, and then RP'd firing in the next. From this range it would be no difficult task with an SVD, especially with my character who is a designated marksman. At this point he argued with me a bit through PM's before abruptly disconnecting in the middle of S2RP. It is also important to not the way in which this server is set up for RP PVP, that being the aggressor is to be mostly at a disadvantage, and he was certainly the aggressor in this case. As far as his arguments that he would hit me, history shows this not to be the case. There's a reason the Rhodesians kept their slayers on semi auto at any distance, and G3's are notably less controllable than even the FN FAL.
    I would be happy with either a ban (not a permaban preferably), or a PK on that character. I personally would prefer his character is just PK'd.
    Time it happened: ~12:00 AM, 11/22/18
    Pictures/Proof:
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    Mikolaj: [YELL] STOP THE VEHICLE.
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** Yvonne's vehicle is fired upon.
    [PM from T-800.FCD.0982] if you can hash it out with Abarham its fine, but I won't force it on him.
    ♥ Fitz 女装大佬 killed Chakra Daemon using trp_svd
    Player Deadeye - Mr. Busy has joined the game
    Player muerto has joined the game
    Pvt. Peter Carson: [OOC] how you toggle thermal sight?
    Riley Harvester: [OOC] 2 seconds later killed by svd pwned
    T-800.FCD.0982: [OOC] E + M1
    Player john johnson left the game (Disconnect by user.)
    That's too heavy for you to carry.
    Khan: [OOC] E1+M1.............*Heavy metal in the distance*
    That's too heavy for you to carry.
    That's too heavy for you to carry.
    Player BoB (Best of Boxes) has joined the game
    [PM from Mikolaj] do you not
    [PM from Mikolaj] get the concept
    [PM from Mikolaj] of roleplay
    [PM from Mikolaj] or are you stupid
    [PM to Mikolaj] You shot at me OOC, thought it was S2K
    [PM from Mikolaj] i literally emoted at you, s2ming
    [PM to Mikolaj] Yes but you hadn't prior RP'd shooting
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] dude
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] i literally
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [LOCAL-OOC] Oh wait nvm
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] Mikolaj: [OOC] ** Yvonne's vehicle is fired upon.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [LOCAL-OOC] I see
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [LOCAL-OOC] Well you wanna continue to RP?
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] na
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] its fine
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [LOCAL-OOC] Ido
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] alrighy
    Mikolaj: [LOCAL-OOC] head back
    neuro killed The Entire Soviet Union using trp_tc_45watt
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] **Yvonne quickly pulls off to the left and jumps out of her vehicle, grabbing the SVD she had just next to her and quickly dashing to the hill in front of her.
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** Mikolaj can't see through the foilage. He moves.
    neuro killed The Entire Soviet Union using trp_skynet_45watt
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] **Yvonne moves into the foliage.
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** The shooter - Yvonne's perpertrator has evidently quieted down after a while. Weird.
    Nero the Sable killed neuro using prop_vehicle_jeep
    Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [OOC] nice
    Pvt. Peter Carson: [OOC] revenge
    [PM to Mikolaj] I would only give him a sinlge minute before persuing
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: I'm hearing shots.
    Player VeteranGerald has joined the game
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] **Yvonne doesn't wait around for a long time, springing across the road after waiting and watching for movement for one minute.
    [275 MHz] Festus Harding: There's a pair of vehicles driving around, and the gunfire isn't too far off.
    [PM to Mikolaj] Are you already out of S2RP by now?
    [275 MHz] Pvt. Roy Kenton: Zimmerman you want a ride back to base? Looks like those guys who took the hostages just left a working truck.
    [PM from Mikolaj] find out ic
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] That's my truck.
    [PM to Mikolaj] I mean I don't want to just wait here for 10 minutes for you to not even respond
    [275 MHz] Pvt. Roy Kenton: Aight, well it's parked at base carefully for you to get it back then.
    [PM from Mikolaj] oh okay no freely move around thats alright
    [PM to Mikolaj] So if I find you OOC we can resume?
    [PM from Mikolaj] yes
    Mathers killed Doom Slayer using trp_sawnoff
    [PM from Mikolaj] halt
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': I always wanted myself a sweet truck.
    [PM from Mikolaj] go back to the red warehouse
    [275 MHz] Pvt. Peter Carson: I wanted to trade noooo
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': Kiss my pecker.
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** Yvonne gets a surprise! A volley of fire goes down towards her. Yikes!
    [PM to Mikolaj] Are you noclipping around btw?
    [PM from Mikolaj] no
    [PM from Mikolaj] not admin
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] AHHH. GUNSHOTS.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] **Yvonne upon hearing this, sprints forwards to her front.
    Mathers killed Doom Slayer using trp_sawnoff
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** A lot of bullets keeps raining towards her way.
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] Oh man-.. Oh man!
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] ** She slides into the lower ground beneath her, moving up, she aims her SVD where the bullets are coming from.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [YELL] Alamo Jack.
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] What do you want, foreign?
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** Mikolaj still sees her. For some reason she stopped. Mikolaj puts down fire straight on her.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [YELL] Fuck you mean, gunshots?
    [275 MHz] Mikolaj: Put weapon down. Now.
    [275 MHz] Mikolaj: Or I will kill you, woman.
    Player rose colored ryan has joined the game
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] There's a communist robot chasing me.
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] He wants my [email protected]
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] **Knowing the accuracy of an automatic 7.62 x 51 which is quite terrible by any user, let alone a brigand, Yvonne easily finds the man's position and squeezes her trigger sending one round to him at the bed of her exhale.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Kylee Owens: What..?
    Mikolaj: [OOC] ** What?
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [YELL] Alamo Jack, I need your location.
    [PM to Mikolaj] I had already sighted in last emote
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] Terminal.
    [PM from Mikolaj] ive been literally aiming at you and shooting you
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] It has SKIN.
    [PM from Mikolaj] how the hell are u supposed to not gbe shot at all
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] It's a big red fucker, too!
    [275 MHz] Mia Caballero: A T-800 Infiltrator?
    'Scrapper': [OOC] Dont s2k ples
    [PM to Mikolaj] But automatic fire from a 7.62 at this distance is abismal, especially if you're not a MASTER shot. You aren't even firing semi, and have not RP'd taking careful aim. She knows the round by its sound.
    T-610.0982: [OOC] 'yer the one shooting me mate.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [YELL] Alamo Jack, where'd you last see it?
    'Scrapper': [OOC] Ive been missing tho?
    [275 MHz] 'Alamo Jack': [YELL] Terminal~!
    [PM from Mikolaj] we're not even that FAR
    [PM from Mikolaj] and this character has been aiming and shooting for years
    [PM from Mikolaj] there's literally no way i can't shoot a stationary fckin target
    Player Nero the Sable left the game (Disconnect by user.)
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Kylee Owens: I don't understand what is going on-
    VeteranGerald killed The Entire Soviet Union using trp_skynet_40watt_drone
    Player Desrat456 has joined the game
    [275 MHz] Mia Caballero: Riley!
    'Alamo Jack': [OOC] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    [275 MHz] Festus Harding: On the main road, one bot.
    [PM to Mikolaj] We are. This character is a very seasoned marksman of the vas expanses of Western Canada. Have you ever shot automatic with a 7.62 x 51? I haven't but I've rapid fired semi, and even that is TERRIBLE at even shorter ranges.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Kylee Owens: Ruckus outside of BP.
    T-610.0982: [OOC] Please don't just, ram robots with your car mate.
    [PM from Mikolaj] i have shot 7.62 yes
    'Alamo Jack': [OOC] its ic
    Lucille Sterling: [OOC] drive2miss
    [PM to Mikolaj] Now imagine that full auto
    T-610.0982: [OOC] Then ok then, lets make some consequences.
    Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [OOC] yeah im out
    [PM to Mikolaj] The G3 handles quite badly too. So, I will say you couldn't hit from this distance with the time you've been firing, and I could hit you from here easily with an SVD
    VeteranGerald killed The Entire Soviet Union using trp_skynet_40watt_drone
    VeteranGerald was killed by worldspawn
    Pfc. Mercedes Wolffe: [OOC] Ramming a several hundred pound metal killing machine is probably a bad idea. Cars can get pretty fucked up just hitting people.
    [PM from Mikolaj] u are no fun at all for s2rp
    T-700.1801: [OOC] nice
    'Alamo Jack': [OOC] yeah but im a cowboy
    Riley Harvester: [OOC] there goes my hero... watch him as he goes
    Error: No player found.
    Player Deadeye - Mr. Busy left the game (Disconnect by user.)
    Error: No player found.
    T-610.0982: [OOC] ** The 610 is smashed with Alamo's truck, leaveing a large drone shaped crunch deep into its engine block. The cars airbags, if they even still worked, deployed as the drones skull smashed through the windsheild, the care smokeing and sputtering came to a stop out on the road.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] When you're S2RPing someone and they just disconnect because it doesn't go their way
    Malum Umbra suicided!
    T-700.1801: [OOC] looks like they shot you and u didnt react so
    'Alamo Jack': [OOC] ** The hero flies out of the front window, the car a steaming mess. He falls short of the fence.
    [275 MHz] Pfc. Isaac Zimmermann: [YELL] Alamo Jack, you fuckin' dumbass.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] I did actually, but we were at a very long distance and he was full auto firing with 7.62 x 51
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] Didin't even RP aiming once, let alone any careful aiming
    'Scrapper': [OOC] **Out of nowhere, a man was running towards the fallen hero. The man kneels down to grasp the fallen hero, picking him up fireman style to then carry him.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance (♥ Fitz 女装大佬): [TO ADMINS] Can I get an admin on that? He just disconnected mid S2RP, and he should be well dead.
    T-700.1801: [OOC] still, bullets are flying at you. suppressive fire is a valid tactic, outright claiming that they didnt do 'this' or 'that' is kinda a form of powergame
    T-800.9776: [OOC] ^
    T-610.0982: [OOC] I'll question him when I see him next Yvonne, keep your logs.
    ECpl. Yvonne L'esperance: [OOC] Well he obviously wasn't aiming IC. I will copy them now.
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    Wait... Deadeye? Do you have the... wrong person?
     
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    Okay yeah Deadeye is an admin of TRP, pretty sure this isn't aimed at him.
     
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  4. Fitz

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    I believe so?

    OR NOT!!!! I THINK I MADE AN OOPSIE! Well lemme just CHANGE THE NAME THEN LOL

    Okay all fixed now.
     
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  5. shinzokk

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    posting for nazi boy aura; i wasnt on for the situation so i got no say here teehee

    "Alright, first of all, I don't want to be completely arsed with having to roleplay specific calibers and all that and having to determine my own inaccuracy when you literally stopped mid-roleplay to lay down on the field and shoot me, and I don't want to have to determine whether or not that I'm an actual marksmen in the server. The distance looked a lot more closer as you were in plain view during our little firefight too.

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  6. Fitz

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    That picture is very zoomed in, and the circles are misleading as to where you really were. You were standing where you were standing whilst taking the screenshot, not the giant white circle.
     
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    And as far as this goes, I was lying down very far away in ample cover when I stopped. You admitted to shooting 7.62 x 51 IRL, so you should know how the round works in this case alone, but other than that I fancy it's quite common knowledge.


    I was prone behind the ground cover of this rise, so I wouldn't say plain view. All you could see was my head and possibly my shoulders.
     
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    Not everyone knows about guns, calibers, and accuracy of auto fire. (me)

    Did anyone else actually witness this whole s2rp shindig go down?
     
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    i think this is unreasonable and a waste of everyone's time. it's a midnight S2RP happening with low pop: nobody deserves to be banned or PKed, especially when arguing the semantics of a firefight which neither of you two (or anyone arbitrating the situation) would understand. surprised @Enraged hasn't gone ahead and locked this.
     
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    "I saw more than your head and shoulders. And I've mistaken my HK-91 for 7.62 like an idiot, no, I don't mess around guns often. Regardless, this is super pointless. I'm going to re-iterate that I don't want to have to roleplay certain things and every detail when I could go along with roleplaying and having fun like the server is intended to. Are we really going to go as far as to a ban request because of this little interaction which was literally stated by Malum that we could void it?"
     
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    Well I'd prefer you were just PK'd. You got into an RP fight and then DC'd when it didn't go your way. If we just let this slide every time, what's stopping it from happening? That character has open hostilities with the N.E.U. (the unit I'm in), and will continue to bother and assault us 'till the end of time. What will stop this from happening again? Is your character invincible? Can they just initiate S2RP whenever they want and then just DC when they've lost? That's whack.
     
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    "Okay, I don't care if I'm losing or not, I disconnected because I disagreed with your reasoning and logic and it seemed completely whack. I'm not allowed to shoot you without you saying "it's inaccurate" while you get to lay down in an open field WHILE I'm shooting at you and shoot me with an SVD?"

    man i hate aura
     
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    If you have a problem with the RP, take it up with the admins, don't disconnect. I'm not saying you can't shoot me without saying it's inaccurate, but it is inaccurate. I can lay down in a field while you're shooting at me and shoot you because you're shooting inaccurate, an I am shooting accurate, with an accurate rifle, RPing aiming and firing in two separate emotes and doing it all properly. You didn't even RP aiming, let alone aiming carefully (as I've said). I'm pretty sure it's clear by now that you would not have hit me, therefore my character could hit you. It would have been much more dangerous not to take the shot and allow him to get to a closer medium or short distance, at which range taht weapon can actually be effective.
     
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    Okay, I don't know about y'all but I'm not really about this... he said, she said bullshit. This wasn't necessary to make a thread for when an admin could have been called over in the first place.

    I think we should stride to work collaboratively to develop our characters together rather than trying to oneup each other.

    Takeaways:

    1. Don't disconnect during roleplay, whether you like the roleplay or not.
    2. Contact an admin and have them weigh in on the situation before posting a ban request.
    3. Don't be dicks to each other! It's quite simple.

    Have a good day.
     
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    Afaik Malum had this issue handled by telling you both that it'd be best to void the situation (which it would have been), not sure how that got lost in translation.
    Valerstein was being a fucking goofy by disconnecting while you two still decided to debate about what to do? Which I'm not sure why, see my point above.

    Prolonging a situation by arguing in OOC about it ruins the fun in itself, especially if it's in the middle of the situation.

    If Flower wasn't clear in his post the gun fight between your two characters is voided.
     
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