Serious The Troubles

[Just James]

"The Government made clear in 1974 that those who were killed on 'Bloody Sunday' should be regarded as innocent of any allegation that they were shot whilst handling firearms or explosives"
-Sir John Major, Former Prime Minister.



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Setting: Set in Derry, Northern Ireland a week after the Bloody Sunday massacre, the city would be divided by religion and the occasional firefight. From 1969 to 2007, Northern Ireland was consumed by civil unrest and near urban warfare due to an event called 'The Troubles.' This saw the Protestant British northern Ireland being pitted against Irish Catholic minorities within their territory, and it quickly became violent. Derry had some of the worst of the entire conflict, and it only became worse with the Bloody Sunday massacre that left fourteen civilians dead, and over a dozen wounded.

Ideally, players could go with one (or more, depending on character amount) of four factions. These factions would be the civilians, British Armed Forces, Provisional Irish Republican Army (Irish Catholic Militants), or the Ulster Volunteer Force (British Protestant Militants). More factions could be introduced by the Derry police force or any other militant group.

Gameplay would introduce an interesting element to the RP, being that of an insurgency, counterinsurgency, and civil law. Historically, the British Army would cooperate with the U.V.F. to help in the fight against the P.I.R.A, and in the middle, would be the civilians. Irish and British civilians attempting to worship in peace and scrape through life with the civil unrest constantly at their doorstep, and the high tensions of the British military with revenge attacks prompted by Bloody Sunday on the horizon. It would be a scenario where truly it can go from coffee at an Irish cafe to witnessing the I.R.A attempting to storm a British checkpoint, and fluid events would be ideal for such a setting.

Duration: Set on February 6, 1972, and going forward, it leaves quite a large area for the RR to continue or end, and it would almost entirely be admin discretion.

Resources: I do believe that a few uniforms can be reused from the current TRP/ZRP along with the other outfits for insurgents. In the end, a uniform with a face mask or balaclava would be nearly essential for the militant groups.

Militants would use Soviet-era gear and American civilian weaponry (AK-47s, AR-15s/M16s) as their standard weaponry if need be.

British Armed Forces would use the L1A1 (Model would be the FAL rifle.)

Not sure what map would be suitable.

 

[miguel]

Thecatwhomines @Joker It's your time to shine, boys.

 

[kelso]

wack

 

[bennet]

yikes

 

[Thecatwhomines]

yikes

 

[skylion]

yikes

 

[Rabid]

I have absolutely no idea how this could be done tastefully or tactfully, even if only for a few hours.

 

[Just James]

I have absolutely no idea how this could be done tastefully or tactfully, even if only for a few hours.

It would take an active administration of each faction to ensure that it wouldn't get overly chaotic, and an underlying understanding of the setting, which isn't too hard to grasp. Otherwise, it's going through the motions of a sensitive topic turned into media.

 

[Nerdbird]

using real life events as rr settings are always dodgy and usually leads to fuckery

in conclusion:

yikes

 

[Just James]

using real life events as rr settings are always dodgy and usually leads to fuckery

in conclusion:

I would agree, but wasn't the Vietnam War pulled off in the past and to good reception?

 

[skylion]

good reception cos we had artillery batteries

 

[Rabid]

I would agree, but wasn't the Vietnam War pulled off in the past and to good reception?

We've done a Vietnam RR that was full of memes and such but the Vietnam war, as with WW2, has often been satirised before which makes it a lot easier to otherwise cut loose on. There's an aura of detachment that makes sliding into such settings a lot less collar-tugging.

Compare that to the likes of The Troubles which hasn't ever really been satirised.

 

[Thecatwhomines]

It's a hard no from me, the Troubles is far, far too complicated and sensitive a topic for me to trust TnB to handle it remotely well. There are multiple libraries of stuff on what caused the Troubles and who was in the right or wrong, what have you. I'd rather not see TnB touch it, ever.

 

[Wheatos]

let's do the Troubles but in a fictional setting like Australia

 

[Rabid]

When you think of Vietnam you usually think of the movies, the "GOOKS IN THE TREES!" and napalm-dropping before you think of the reality of the war.

There's a clear divide there in the media that doesn't exist for the Troubles which makes the idea of trying to go anywhere near it an uncomfortable prospect.

 

[Just James]

It's a hard no from me, the Troubles is far, far too complicated and sensitive a topic for me to trust TnB to handle it remotely well. There are multiple libraries of stuff on what caused the Troubles and who was in the right or wrong, what have you. I'd rather not see TnB touch it, ever.

I believe I see where you're coming from. I also need to keep in mind not everyone will treat the topic with the gravity and seriousness it deserves in the end, as after all, it is still Garry's Mod. But, if it were to happen, it would need to be absolutely neutral, from a gameplay point of view. Allow characters and players to form their natural and opinions in bias in RP, etc.

 

[Thecatwhomines]

Even then the idea of "le car bombs le kneecapping xD" and "no surrender!!!" meming just puts me off the idea really strongly.

 

[Just James]

Even then the idea of "le car bombs le kneecapping xD" and "no surrender!!!" meming just puts me off the idea really strongly.

I also look at it like this,

Where if it were to work and actually be treated with respect by both the playerbase and the development before launch, it could be one of the best RP experiences on Gmod yet.

Of course, that's all an 'if' statement.

 

[bungo]

nobody will treat it with respect

 

[wester]

i don't think it'd be a good idea to portray an event that involves two countries who both have sizable populations at tnb.

the difference with the vietnam rr is that while we have plenty of americans, we have little to no vietnamese people.