KesterlBirdMan, "Milana"

[Decaro]

Player name: Milana
STEAM ID: STEAM_0:0:42806096
Reason for ban: Inv'ing weapon during S2K, refusing to drop it. Refusing to drop weapon picked up during S2K.
Proof:
My whole log of the conflict, including deaths.

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Helga: I am at the boiler.
Pantos: Come
Grumpy killed \//\ using ts2_sks_kobra
ۣۜFloki ☭ killed Badrats onion peeler using ts2_mosin_pso
ۣۜFloki ☭ killed Jacket The Roo using ts2_mosin_pso
KestrelBirdMan killed Bongo Daniel using ts2_ak9
KestrelBirdMan killed ۣۜFloki ☭ using ts2_ak9
KestrelBirdMan killed [Saiyan]SamuraiJack using ts2_ak9
Golos: [RADIO] "Forward team is down."
Pantos: [RADIO] Retreat
Sam killed Grumpy using ts2_aks_kobra
Jain killed DeadofPool using ts2_sks_kobra
Jain killed Joseph Stalin using ts2_sks_kobra
Jain killed kordinn using ts2_sks_kobra
Natalia Cotton-Candy: [LOCAL-OOC] ah trying to rp
'Elf' (DeadofPool): [OOC] gotta love unannounced fucking s2k lmao
Helga: [RADIO] I have eliminated them all.
Helga: I have eliminated them all.
Phoenix (homeless americans): [OOC] [G-PDA;firebird87] selling AK12, best eastern blocc assault rifle you can get your hands on. cheap cheap cheap for 20k. may take partial trades in my favour
Mech (Sniper Tiger (Tony)): [OOC] There is no rule against it outside bases.
Turles Scvona (Tj): [OOC] it is default
[PM FROM Natalia Cotton-Candy] im gonna need u to destroy that svd
Christina Khrushchev: [LOCAL-OOC] ay
Golos: [RADIO] "Let's regroup by the burner anomaly."
Christina Khrushchev: [LOCAL-OOC] ooc
Christina Khrushchev: [LOCAL-OOC] srry
[PM FROM Natalia Cotton-Candy] actually no
[PM TO Natalia Cotton-Candy] why
[PM FROM Natalia Cotton-Candy] keep it
[PM FROM Natalia Cotton-Candy] :)
Jain killed KestrelBirdMan using ts2_sks_kobra
Helga (Jain): [TO ADMINS] kestrel birdmans character inv'd his gun after firing at us
Obman: [RADIO] Can I get re-stocked on ammunition?
Helga: [RADIO] Regrouping.
Helga: Regrouping.
Helga: [RADIO] Approaching from heretics.
Helga: Approaching from heretics.
Jain killed \//\ using ts2_sks_kobra
Helga: [RADIO] Cease fire.
Helga: Cease fire.
Golos: [RADIO] // pull back
Golos: [RADIO] // stop going forward
Ocelot: [LOCAL-OOC] gg
Golos: [RADIO] // timescale a bit
Ocelot: [LOCAL-OOC] well played
Helga: [RADIO] // they keep firing at us while were wlaking back
Helga: // they keep firing at us while were wlaking back
[PM FROM Golos] [PM FROM Tanya] It's probably best you tell your people to timescale.
[PM TO Tanya] its s2k not rp it doesnt get the same rules rp gets
[PM FROM Tanya] Then there's no rules to them losing a weapon on those grounds?
[PM TO Tanya] sec
[PM TO Tanya] Combat rules. S2K is the standard method of combat outside of faction and loner camps. Don't S2K players who are obviously engaged in RP. It is your responsibility to check if players are available to S2K. No excuses. Don't start an S2K engagement from within yell(/y) range unless agreed upon beforehand. You cannot walk into a room containing roleplaying people and immediately state that S2K will be enabled in "X" minutes, then proceed to kill them all. For example if a person walks into an area, states that he is going to engage S2K in one minute, then proceeds to kill everyone in that room without permission from the others. You will be punished. If you die in S2K you may come back to injury RP. Usually this is portrayed through a grievous wound or something similar. You may only resuit after 5 minutes of non-combat, you cannot run back to base and resuit before the timer is up.
[PM FROM Ocelot] how much damage did i do to you
[PM TO Ocelot] not a lot sadly
[PM FROM Tanya] Those are the rules, correct.
[PM FROM Tanya] What about them?
[PM FROM Ocelot] Rip the recoil, p sure i shot like straight up at one point
[PM TO Tanya] Refunds: Admins are not obliged to refund weapons lost to S2K, Mingery, Anomalies, etc. If you were RDM'd please provide screenshots, videos, timestamps, etc as it will massively help your case.
Golos (ۣۜFloki ☭): [OOC] **A force of Monolithians engaged the stalkers, the field is riddled with corpses from both sides.**
[PM FROM Tanya] We didn't refund any weapons.
[PM TO Tanya] can u bring kestrel here
Rasmus 'Jacket' Helix (Jacket The Roo): [OOC] was that you guys who just KOS'd us? :P
[PM TO Tanya] 8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: tell an admin8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: cause8:57 PM - Jain: i did8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: he took my mk178:58 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: and took another guys gun
Zahadka: [RADIO] I'm awake.
Helga: [RADIO] Outside the gate sister.
Helga: Outside the gate sister.
Helga: [RADIO] Near the burner.
Helga: Near the burner.
Helga (Jain): [TO ADMINS] kestrelbirdmans character in our s2k invd his gun after firing at us, died. however he has 2 sweps he picked up from the s2k.
Helga (Jain): [TO ADMINS] one from floki
Zahadka: [RADIO] Glad to see the Monolith found further use for you in this world. Reinforcing.
[PM FROM Tanya] Apparently Mono also holstered their guns.
Helga: [RADIO] // did anyone holster their guns before death
Helga: // did anyone holster their guns before death
[PM TO Tanya] who
Golos: [RADIO] // guys come back
Golos: // guys come back
[PM FROM Tanya] sec
Rod (flower): [OOC] fuckin jules fell asleep again
Golos: [RADIO] // did any of u die and holster?
Golos: // did any of u die and holster?
Golos: [RADIO] // or holster/die
Golos: // or holster/die
Helga: [RADIO] // holster and die u mean
Helga: // holster and die u mean
Argos: [RADIO] // No
Argos: // No
Psychopomp (meme lord moD): [OOC] wake him up fuck
Ahriman 'The Red': [RADIO] // no - why?
Ahriman 'The Red': // no - why?
Zahadka: Hello father.
[PM TO Tanya] guns may have fell through the map.
Turles Scvona (Tj): [OOC] punch him in the nut
Golos: [RADIO] // just a question
Golos: // just a question
Argos: [RADIO] // People must be asking
Argos: // People must be asking
[PM FROM Tanya] none are there
Obman: [RADIO] // no.
Obman: // no.
Helga: [RADIO] // were being told that the reason were not getting sweps from kestrel after he invd his is because we inved ours
Helga: // were being told that the reason were not getting sweps from kestrel after he invd his is because we inved ours
Helga: [RADIO] // so who invd theirs?
Helga: // so who invd theirs?
[PM FROM Tanya] Samurai jack, he said it was the second person he killed
[PM FROM Tanya] That hid their weapon
Zahadka: [RADIO] //which admin said that
Zahadka: //which admin said that
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I didnt -- an admin can both check the logs, and practically confirmed.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] i pulled out a different weapon but i still died and lost it
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I had an AKS Kobra. Dont have anymore.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] and its a more expensive weapon
Argos: [LOCAL-OOC] I had a scoped aka
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] I lost a scar mk17
Argos: [LOCAL-OOC] sks*
Obman: [LOCAL-OOC] Had a Kobra SKS
[PM FROM Tanya] His reasoning is that if they didn't want to play fair, why should he if they hide their weapons when they're about to get popped.
[PM TO Tanya] whats his ooc name
[PM FROM Tanya] Samuraijack
[PM TO Tanya] he didnt kill anyone
[PM TO Tanya] lol
[PM FROM Tanya] [Saiyan]SamuraiJack
[PM FROM Tanya] No, kestral killed samurai jack
[PM TO Tanya] ok
Helga: [LOCAL-OOC] whos samuraijack ooc
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] Me.
Helga: [LOCAL-OOC] i mean ic
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] What's up?
[PM FROM Tanya] but, apparently he hid his weapon away
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] Ahriman
Helga: [LOCAL-OOC] what weapon were you supposed to drop?
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I died, and my AKS Kobra dropped.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] he lost his modified aks
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I asked Floki for this one -- you can ask him.
[PM TO Tanya] Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I had an AKS Kobra. Dont have anymore.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] yeah i just gave him that gun
Helga: [RADIO] // did anyone pick up an aks cobra during the s2k
Helga: // did anyone pick up an aks cobra during the s2k
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] nope
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I died near the power-plant, if that helps.
Argos: [RADIO] // NYET
Argos: // NYET
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] i didnt go for guns
Zahadka: I want to S2K.
Argos: [RADIO] //Caps sorry
Argos: //Caps sorry
Argos: Too bad bitch.
Zahadka: You're crackdowned.
[PM TO Tanya] no one is saying they invd their guns, ahriman(samuraijack) is saying he dropped his, further reinforced by the fact he doesnt have it anymore
[PM TO Tanya] were gonna need kestrelbirdman to drop his sweps unless he has proof otherwise
Jafari Fontaine (Marlboro27s): [OOC] [G-PDA] Selling an M14 EBR, hardly used. Message for inquiries!
** Zahadka hitches a piggyback.
** Helga is covered with the blood of slain heretics.

Various SF chats.
Rok.

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Monday, May 09, 2016
9:04 PM - Sam: Displaying data for: Ahriman 'The Red'
OOC Name: [Saiyan]SamuraiJack
SteamID: STEAM_0:1:33462327
Flags: Faction:MF Player:
Strength: 50
Endurance: 50
Speed: 54
Aim: 50
Health: 100
Armour: 30
Money: 1
Primary Weapon: ts2_aksu_kobra
Secondary Weapon:
Weapons:
ts2_sks_pso
ts2_tokarev
Items:
geigercounter
flashlight
762x25mm
762x39mm
radio
9:04 PM - Jain: the ak hes saying he dropped is an akm kobra
9:04 PM - Jain: floki reinforced it
9:04 PM - Jain: Helga: [LOCAL-OOC] what weapon were you supposed to drop?
VehicleType:prop_vehicle_jeep_old:
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I died, and my AKS Kobra dropped.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] he lost his modified aks
VehicleType:prop_vehicle_jeep_old:
Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I asked Floki for this one -- you can ask him.
[PM TO Tanya] Ahriman 'The Red': [LOCAL-OOC] I had an AKS Kobra. Dont have anymore.
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] yeah i just gave him that gun
9:06 PM - Jain: is kestrel gonna drop the sweps her picked up/shouldnt have
9:06 PM - Jain: he*
9:07 PM - Sam: Hold up, what did Benji have
9:07 PM - Sam: Argos
9:07 PM - Sam: Because Kestral also killed Benji
9:08 PM - Jain: Argos: [LOCAL-OOC] I had a scoped aka
Golos: [LOCAL-OOC] I lost a scar mk17
Argos: [LOCAL-OOC] sks*
9:08 PM - Jain: look were really getting held up with this
9:09 PM - Sam: You're getting held up over a script
9:09 PM - Sam: So, continue your RP while I sort it out
9:09 PM - Jain: are you going to have him hand over the scripts or not dude lol
9:10 PM - Jain: alright were continuing but i want something to come of this
9:10 PM - Sam: I got it
9:10 PM - Sam: It was Floki, originally. This is why he did it.
9:10 PM - Jain: ?
9:10 PM - Sam: KestrelBirdMan: I told you in /r
KestrelBirdMan: one of them hid their wep before i killed them and pulled out another to try and kill me
9:10 PM - Sam: Floki switched weapons to avoid losing his mosin
9:10 PM - Jain: to lose an mk17 instead?
9:10 PM - Jain: thats a worse trade for floki
9:10 PM - Sam: Well, Floki did it
9:11 PM - Sam: ۣۜFloki ☭ killed Badrats onion peeler using ts2_mosin_pso
Tanya: Hold this for me.
Knight (ghost, high functioning autist): [OOC] [Local PDA - Knight] Free Stalkers of the Zone! Knight has returned to his trader post in Agropompom. If you've got any shit you need to get rid of, I'm the man to talk to!
ۣۜFloki ☭ killed Jacket The Roo using ts2_mosin_pso
9:11 PM - Jain: switching weapons isnt against the rules when we only have room for one primary script
9:11 PM - Jain: yes and he lost his fucking scar-h mk17
9:11 PM - Jain: so is kestrel gonna hand over the mk17 and the other
9:17 PM - Sam: I gave Floki an AKS kobra
9:17 PM - Jain: why? the only person who lost that was ahriman
9:17 PM - Jain: and he didnt protest losing that.
9:18 PM - Sam: Why protest at all then? I gave Floki a weapon back. If he's protesting over losing his /OP/ Assault-Rifle because of his own fault.
9:18 PM - Sam: Then that's not my problem. He shouldn't have switched to his mk17
9:19 PM - Jain: and has kestrel lost the sweps he shouldnt have?
9:19 PM - Sam: There are no rules to someone looting weapons in a S2K and being forced to return them if they die.
9:20 PM - Jain: he INVD his gun
9:20 PM - Jain: what the fuck are you thinking
9:20 PM - Jain: this is extremely cut and dry yet youre making it more and more complicated for no good reason
9:21 PM - Sam: What gun was he using then?
9:21 PM - Jain: send me his inv and ill get a clue
9:21 PM - Jain: all i know is it sounded exactly like my sks
9:21 PM - Jain: he shot it, turned around, walked away and switched to hands
9:21 PM - Sam: Well, he has an SKS on him.
9:21 PM - Jain: okay. heres the step by step
9:22 PM - Jain: have floki delete the aks you gave him for no reason
9:22 PM - Jain: give me the mk17 and sks.
9:22 PM - Jain: and thats it.
9:22 PM - Sam: How about I give you back the SKS because it sounds like it was an SKS??
9:22 PM - Jain: almost every weapon in the script sounds the same because dave copy pastes liberally
9:22 PM - Sam: Floki lost his gun fair and square?
9:22 PM - Jain: im not arguing that
9:23 PM - Jain: im arguing that kestrel SHOULDNT have those sweps
9:23 PM - Sam: Why?
9:23 PM - Sam: I'll gladly throw back the SKS
9:24 PM - Jain: he picked up a gun in an s2k, turned around, invd the one he was using and walked away. guess who was forced to give up a swep they looted in an rp bbecause they died in an s2k shortly after?
9:24 PM - Jain: moose.
9:24 PM - Jain: i should have both of those weapons
9:24 PM - Jain: kestrel should have none of them
9:25 PM - Sam: I can't decide what other admins do. I do what I do, I don't follow what other admins do. If that happened to moose? I wouldn't have let that go, he had enough shit the other day during a dave S2K event. This isn't personal against you, not at all nor Monolith as a whole.
9:25 PM - Jain: alright im taking this up to the forums
9:25 PM - Sam: Okay, go ahead.
9:26 PM - Sam: If you feel that'll sway my decision, go ahead and find out.
9:26 PM - Sam: Like you said yourself, it sounded like an SKS and he has an SKS.
9:26 PM - Sam: Therefore, it most likely was an SKS.
9:26 PM - Sam: I'm willing to give you back the SKS.
9:26 PM - Jain: sure but the only clause is you cant lock the thread.
9:26 PM - Sam: LMAO, why would I lock the thread. It's a simple issue like you said and I'm offering a simple solution.
9:26 PM - Sam: He inv'd the SKS
9:26 PM - Sam: I give you the SKS.
9:27 PM - Jain: he also invd the mk17
9:27 PM - Jain: i get that too
9:27 PM - Jain: thats all ive been asking for
9:27 PM - Sam: Why do you want the MK17 so badly?
9:27 PM - Jain: because he shouldnt have it.
9:27 PM - Jain: you were part of the moose hitsquad that coerced him into giving up the dshkm
9:27 PM - Sam: So, all of the guys you minced during the S2K should have their weapons refunded?
9:27 PM - Jain: youre propogating a double standard here
9:27 PM - Sam: What hitsquad.
9:28 PM - Jain: read Confused...?
9:28 PM - Sam: Oh, that was because we agreed upon a S2K and anything they got, they lost upon death.
9:28 PM - Sam: Those were the cirumstances agreed upon by Toast and I.
9:28 PM - Sam: It's a totally seperate issue.
9:29 PM - Sam: But, like I said. Just because Moose was handled different, doesn't mean I'll act the same way.
9:30 PM - Sam: I wish the server was a whole lot better in terms of development and roleplay and this scriptplay shit went out of the window. But, if you're so angsty over a script then I have no sympathy in any way shape or form. If you wish for this to change? Don't S2K people for little no reason when they approach you, that goes for Monolith as a whole.
9:31 PM - Jain: i cant speak for the monolith, people were already dying in s2k when i got involved
9:31 PM - Sam: I know, but Monolith forced themselves into a shitty situation by opening up in a shitty way. The amount of people involved would've made S2RP viable and they fired first.
9:32 PM - Jain: s2k is server standard or so it says in the rules
9:32 PM - Sam: I know that.
9:32 PM - Jain: if you want that to change the burden is on you
9:32 PM - Jain: dont hate the player hate the game
9:32 PM - Sam: I will never, ever hate the player. It's as they make it on the server.
9:32 PM - Sam: The rules dictate whatever they wish and I have to follow that and without admin support as a whole, I still wouldn't get anywhere as I'd have to go against Dave.
9:34 PM - Sam: But, my offer still stands. Because, if this goes the way it's going in the end you'll have people begging for their weapons back if a friend decided to S2K the person who took them back.
9:35 PM - Sam: So, person A is killed. Person C runs off with the guns and the friend of person A decides to kill them. So, therefore in that sense they get the weapons the guy collected.
9:35 PM - Jain: i get the mk17, the sks. he gets nothing.
9:35 PM - Jain: thats the demand, thats what should happen.
9:35 PM - Sam: Why should that happen? As you said, Floki lost his MK17 fair and square.
9:35 PM - Sam: A poor decision on his part.
9:36 PM - Jain: because he picked it up and died. he shouldnt get weapons from a fight he died from
9:36 PM - Jain: can you tell me how that makes sense if he were to KEEP IT?
9:36 PM - Sam: Explain that to literally ever other S2K that has and will happen on this server.
9:37 PM - Jain: i dont have to because thats not my place. my place is right here after this fight i was involved in
9:37 PM - Jain: you want to rule lawyer and say its not against the rules?
9:37 PM - Jain: ill rule lawyer and point to moose case
9:38 PM - Sam: You may point to Mooses case but like I said, I operate my way and others operate their way. If anything, the system and economy is so fucked that I wouldn't touch it. Which ever admin decided upon that I feel should've just left the matter be. It's a system that's been in place for a loooong time.
9:39 PM - Sam: If someone dies in S2K and picks up a weapon. I have never, ever complained that they should drop it upon death.
9:39 PM - Jain: you were directly involved in that whoile situation
9:39 PM - Sam: I was, until I suddenly get an !a stating that there's a fiasco with Kestral and seeing as I can contact him directly.
9:40 PM - Jain: what was kestrels ic name during the fight
9:40 PM - Sam: You're asking for Floki
9:41 PM - Sam: Who already PM'd me
9:41 PM - Jain: no im asking for me
9:41 PM - Jain: floki was asking for me
9:41 PM - Jain: because neither of us know
9:41 PM - Jain: and i need it to make a ban request
9:41 PM - Sam: The name, Milana.
9:41 PM - Jain: thanks
9:44 PM - Jain: btw where did u go during this s2k
9:44 PM - Sam: Where did I go?
9:44 PM - Jain: you were in it right?
9:44 PM - Sam: I was fighting Obman, yes.
9:44 PM - Sam: After I killed Obman, I left the area.
9:45 PM - Jain: where/how
9:45 PM - Sam: In the two-story house Obman was in.
9:45 PM - Sam: I kileld him after he ran upstairs and fled back to base

Floki.

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Monday, May 09, 2016
8:54 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: what did kestrel drop?
8:57 PM - Jain: nothing
8:57 PM - Jain: he invd it
8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: wtf
8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: okay
8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: tell an admin
8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: cause
8:57 PM - Jain: i did
8:57 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: he took my mk17
8:58 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: and took another guys gun
9:04 PM - Jain: this sks fucking owns
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: is kestrel being dealt with
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: cause thats fucking retarded
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: he had an ak9
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: killed me
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: got a mk17
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: then killed the guy with me
9:04 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: who had a aks i think
9:28 PM - Jain: what was kestrelbirdmans ic name
9:28 PM - Jain: during the s2k
9:28 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: ...
9:28 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: fuck
9:28 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: i cant rememebr
9:39 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: 9:36 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: yo
9:36 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: remove that mk17 u got
9:36 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: and the sks skoped
9:36 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: u died during the s2k
9:38 PM - KestrelBirdMan: yeah, no. ill do that when Rokhazula tells me to. I informed him of what went down from start to finish.
9:38 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: Dude
9:38 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: you died
9:38 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: nlr
9:38 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: you lose that shit u picked up
9:39 PM - KestrelBirdMan: Speak to Rokhazula.
9:39 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: if he responds sure
9:39 PM - Jain: i am speaking to rok and in fact
9:40 PM - Jain: making a ban request on kestrel
9:40 PM - Jain: rok does not want to change his stance and let his friend keep the mk17
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: lol
9:40 PM - Jain: i need kestrelbirdmans ic name during the fight
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: i dont fucking know it
9:40 PM - Jain: ask him
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: im asking rok
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: he's ignoring
9:41 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: 9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: whats your character name
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: the one u s2kd on
9:40 PM - KestrelBirdMan: KestrelBirdMan: Speak to Rokhazula.
9:40 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: whats the character name
9:41 PM - KestrelBirdMan is now Offline.
9:41 PM - KestrelBirdMan is currently offline, they will receive your message the next time they log in.
9:41 PM - Jain: got it
9:41 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: what is it
9:42 PM - Jain: milana
9:50 PM - ۣۜFloki ☭: `[PM TO Tanya] removed
[PM TO Tanya] deleted from the economy
[PM FROM Tanya] If that's the route you wish to go down Floki, I'd be more than willing to go down the same route with any and all future S2K situations with you and I'll be sure to inform the admin team too.
[PM FROM Tanya] If you really wish to enforce that rule.
[PM TO Tanya] So you're just going to remove the sks scope, but let him keep the weapon he A) s2k'd with and B) the weapon he picked up during an S2K
[PM TO Tanya] okay bud
[PM TO Tanya] matter of the fact is, none of ours inv'd their weapons
[PM FROM Tanya] Okay, but Jain is telling me he was using something that sounded like an SKS
[PM TO Tanya] but if u wanna go inflate the economy, by all means
[PM FROM Tanya] So, he has an SKS on him?
[PM TO Tanya] he was shooting an AK9
[PM TO Tanya] thats what killed me and another guy
[PM FROM Tanya] Yes, but Jain also heard an SKS go off.
[PM TO Tanya] he swapped from his 40k gun to a AK9
[PM TO Tanya] 40kgun to a sks
[PM FROM Tanya] You swapped from a Mosin to an MK17
[PM FROM Tanya] ???
[PM TO Tanya] look at the price variation
[PM TO Tanya] i went up
[PM TO Tanya] thats a bit different
[PM FROM Tanya] And? You switched your weapons and died, no?
[PM TO Tanya] you're a fucking idiot lol, look at it from an economic perspective
[PM TO Tanya] or just gouge your eyes out period
[PM TO Tanya] AK9 -> SKS
[PM TO Tanya] vs
[PM TO Tanya] Mosin Scope -> Mk17 EGLM
[PM FROM Tanya] Thank you for your valued input Floki. He was using an SKS so like I said, you get the SKS.
[PM TO Tanya] you're retarded
[PM FROM Tanya] Thank you again.
[PM TO Tanya] NP, message me back when u get your head out of your ass
[PM FROM Tanya] Message me when you're no longer heated about losing your MK17 :)
[PM TO Tanya] im not asking for it back
[PM TO Tanya] im asking for it to be deleted idiot
[PM FROM Tanya] Jain is telling me one thing and you're telling me another.

TL:DR- S2K happens with the Monolith, check the first log I have there for exact kills.
As I was walking away from the original S2K, KestrelBirdMan fires at me, missing. I run back and engage him, after my first few hits murk him he invs his gun and I watch him do it. When he dies he drops nothing and I make an !a for it.
As it turns out, Floki tells me that KestrelBirdMan killed him and took his MK17. In my mind, that tells me KestrelBirdMan should have to drop the gun he was using before I killed him, and the MK17.

What would you like to see improved:
If he's getting NLR'd from the battle then he drops every gun he picked up and used in it.
Since he refuses to do this I'd want him banned for inventorying his SWEP before death.

On top of that: there should be a rule regarding dropped weapons in S2K. If you pick up a SWEP and then die with it, you should also drop the SWEP you picked up. This is for the case where a player uses an SVD, dies, and then his anorak buddy crawls up, rapidly presses E and clicks "Put item in inventory", and then dies as well.
Another S2K rule: if you die in an S2K you must drop any weapon you killed or damaged another with. This would stop people from killing someone with a SVD, inventorying it to change to an MP5, and then smugly assuming other players are content with the MP5 they get upon killing.

Or you could just make S2RP the normal gunfight etiquette to avoid bullshit like this.

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

I hold no resentment towards the Monolith faction, as I've been supporting your faction as a "roleplaying" group from the get go, but situations like this where you guys get salty and rude over losing scripts is pathetic. I'll run through the events in my footsteps so my side, from start to finish, can be seen.

1. I was near the East Swamp and was informed that Monolith was holding down the Swamp House and randomly engaged my group that was walking around there.
2. I head that way and flank around and find myself directly behind two Monolith soldiers, Floki and some other. I don't tend to save logs, bad for me I suppose.
3. I kill Floki's friend, then begin to try and kill Floki - as it's my attempt to take both of their snipers then hightail it back to distribute among my own group.
4. Floki switches his weapon, albeit to a more "highly priced" script item known as the Mk17.
5. Jain(Decaro) flags up onto his Monolith and begins to sprint over to the S2K battle after being OOCly informed of the situation.
6. I finish off Floki and begin to head back to regroup, where I run into another Monolith - I finish them off as well.
7. I decide to be ballsy after hiding around a corner and inventory my AK9 to pull out the SKS PSO that I knabbed off of Floki's friend. I shoot Jain once before realizing I had one shot remaining. I sprint for it.
8. I hold a grudge against Floki for inventorying his script, so I decide to repay the favor. After I died, I PMed Rokhazula that I inv'd my own script (The PSO) during the battle BECAUSE of Floki changing out his.
9. Rokhazula tells me I need to return one of the scripts and he chooses, so I hand it off without another word.


If you care at all for the IC consequences of dying in battle and losing said scripts, you'd understand that you suddenly jumping into the firefight after being SFed or told on TS to get on and into the fight is easily as unjustifiable as me not dropping my script item, as I and none of the other three members would have been killed if you weren't flagging up just to S2K.

I told Floki multiple times to speak to Rokhazula, because I'm not listening to the commands of a normal player that doesn't administrate the server. In no way was I trying to keep the scripts just for the sake of it, but as it's been explained to me is that your rule you're proposing hasn't and currently doesn't take effect.

I'll destroy the SKS PSO, or return it to it's rightful owner - but it's starting to get annoying to see Monolith get angry when they lose and only happy when they win during their "roleplay"

 

[DeadofPool]

This is why S2k is flawed tbh lmao.

Also I just didn't have my gun out to begin with and wasn't taking part in the S2K to honor Argos being a good guy, so I hope I'm not also being accused of inv'ing my weapons. I was trying to get out when you killed me but I was out of stamina.

 

[Floki]

9:10 PM - Sam: Floki switched weapons to avoid losing his mosin
9:10 PM - Jain: to lose an mk17 instead?
9:10 PM - Jain: thats a worse trade for floki
9:10 PM - Sam: Well, Floki did it

In response to these lines: I pulled the MK17 out because Kestrel's character engaged me from point blank range, not because I wanted to 'save' the mosin scoped.

 

[Decaro]

I hold no resentment towards the Monolith faction, as I've been supporting your faction as a "roleplaying" group from the get go, but situations like this where you guys get salty and rude over losing scripts is pathetic. I'll run through the events in my footsteps so my side, from start to finish, can be seen.

1. I was near the East Swamp and was informed that Monolith was holding down the Swamp House and randomly engaged my group that was walking around there.
2. I head that way and flank around and find myself directly behind two Monolith soldiers, Floki and some other. I don't tend to save logs, bad for me I suppose.
3. I kill Floki's friend, then begin to try and kill Floki - as it's my attempt to take both of their snipers then hightail it back to distribute among my own group.
4. Floki switches his weapon, albeit to a more "highly priced" script item known as the Mk17.
5. Jain(Decaro) flags up onto his Monolith and begins to sprint over to the S2K battle after being OOCly informed of the situation.
6. I finish off Floki and begin to head back to regroup, where I run into another Monolith - I finish them off as well.
7. I decide to be ballsy after hiding around a corner and inventory my AK9 to pull out the SKS PSO that I knabbed off of Floki's friend. I shoot Jain once before realizing I had one shot remaining. I sprint for it.
8. I hold a grudge against Floki for inventorying his script, so I decide to repay the favor. After I died, I PMed Rokhazula that I inv'd my own script (The PSO) during the battle BECAUSE of Floki changing out his.
9. Rokhazula tells me I need to return one of the scripts and he chooses, so I hand it off without another word.


If you care at all for the IC consequences of dying in battle and losing said scripts, you'd understand that you suddenly jumping into the firefight after being SFed or told on TS to get on and into the fight is easily as unjustifiable as me not dropping my script item, as I and none of the other three members would have been killed if you weren't flagging up just to S2K.

I told Floki multiple times to speak to Rokhazula, because I'm not listening to the commands of a normal player that doesn't administrate the server. In no way was I trying to keep the scripts just for the sake of it, but as it's been explained to me is that your rule you're proposing hasn't and currently doesn't take effect.

I'll destroy the SKS PSO, or return it to it's rightful owner - but it's starting to get annoying to see Monolith get angry when they lose and only happy when they win during their "roleplay"

Snarky passive aggressive "quotations" to imply the Monolith aren't roleplayers simply because they won fair and square in an S2K really do a deservicement to your character.
Thinking I had simply sprinted to the firefight because I was on TS or got SF'd? Look at the logs of my chat with Floki, nothing like that is there. In fact our conversation starts after the S2K. I hopped on because Seanchan told me that we were going to be doing a patrol when I was already involved with another RP on Ivanna. I switched when I could and lo and behold an S2K not far from Monolith base.
You held a grudge for Floki changing SWEPs? Yes how dare he give you a SCAR-H instead of a Mosin. But guess what? He still dropped one. You didn't.

"I told Floki multiple times to speak to Rokhazula, because I'm not listening to the commands of a normal player that doesn't administrate the server." -- I'm an incorrigible sycophant with only a respect to authority.
I want the SKS and I want the SCAR-H. I killed you IC, I get them IC. You inventoried them OOC, I have to strongarm OOC. Simply trying to swat me away because "scripts don't matter" while simultaneously refusing to give them up? Double standard.

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

In fact our conversation starts after the S2K. I hopped on because Seanchan told me that we were going to be doing a patrol when I was already involved with another RP on Ivanna. I switched when I could and lo and behold an S2K not far from Monolith base.
You held a grudge for Floki changing SWEPs? Yes how dare he give you a SCAR-H instead of a Mosin. But guess what? He still dropped one. You didn't.

Rokhazula told me a different scenario, the fact that you flagged up and instantly ran towards the S2K and knew exactly where it was was suspicious on your part. As far as me listening to authority on a virtual game, it's because I'd rather not argue about it for a lengthy time and rather have someone involved that can handle and end it in a matter of moments. So no, I'm not going to listen to Floki telling me to drop the SWEPs because he's not the one administrating the server.

Also, as stated before I don't care for the script value, as you obviously do. I don't care if he gave me a gun that can be bought for 48k despite losing one for 12k, that doesn't matter. I still informed Rokhazula immediately what happened after it happened just in case so he could tell me to return a script to you all, if necessary. That single script would be the SKS PSO, but I was told to hand over the AKS Kobra - so that's what I did and that script was given off to one of you.

The point still stands that Rokhazula saw you flag then sprint directly to the battle without being informed in any IC manner, but I'll let him confirm that when he wakes up tomorrow.

 

[Decaro]

Rokhazula told me a different scenario, the fact that you flagged up and instantly ran towards the S2K and knew exactly where it was was suspicious on your part. As far as me listening to authority on a virtual game, it's because I'd rather not argue about it for a lengthy time and rather have someone involved that can handle and end it in a matter of moments. So no, I'm not going to listen to Floki telling me to drop the SWEPs because he's not the one administrating the server.

Also, as stated before I don't care for the script value, as you obviously do. I don't care if he gave me a gun that can be bought for 48k despite losing one for 12k, that doesn't matter. I still informed Rokhazula immediately what happened after it happened just in case so he could tell me to return a script to you all, if necessary. That single script would be the SKS PSO, but I was told to hand over the AKS Kobra - so that's what I did and that script was given off to one of you.

The point still stands that Rokhazula saw you flag then sprint directly to the battle without being informed in any IC manner, but I'll let him confirm that when he wakes up tomorrow.

I was told to go to the boiler by Pantos and arrived. He tells me to follow, and then there's gunshots where he's headed.
Your virtue signalling about me sweating up a storm over SWEPs while you're coolly just collecting them without a cow man is disgusting. The AKS Kobra, the SKS PSO, the SCAR were all weapons you collected from the battle and simultaneously got NLR'd from. I want each one of them, because I killed you. That makes sense, otherwise you're left with the nonsensical situation where your character wakes up with all these strange weapons they have no recollection of getting. See, I'm doing this for your benefit, friend.

The room for improvement bit are the S2K rules I suggested following weapon drops. I see no reason to quarrel with them, they make sense IC while the way SWEPs are handled on death make none. If we really want to solve this issue without having S2K outright abolished for S2RP, then the best option would be to have weapons NOT drop on death.

I'm just playing the hand I've been dealt. The powers that be want this serious roleplay server to be a progression of SWEPs and items, not roleplay. If that's the case I'll point out every hole in the boat until it sinks. Just like it did last time.

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

I want each one of them, because I killed you. That makes sense, otherwise you're left with the nonsensical situation where your character wakes up with all these strange weapons they have no recollection of getting. See, I'm doing this for your benefit, friend.

You quote me as being some pig gathering three sweps during a S2K battle for killing off the men, but what you're wanting is IC justification to carry off three sweps after killing me? Double standard.

 

[DeadofPool]

Honestly the entire ordeal would have been a better S2RP engagement.

Idk I might be wrong but I remember last time around S2K was reserved for specific events, also being a bit more rare than S2RP, I'd kind of like to see that return. It's a bit asinine that something that can be so much more problematic than an S2RP (at least imo) is so widespread now.

Honestly this thing just seems to cause more fighting and drama than S2RP, which can cause the same but it's more easily moderated from what I've seen.
Probably not the thread to say this in but uh. Yeah. Idk.

 

[Decaro]

You quote me as being some pig gathering three sweps during a S2K battle for killing off the men, but what you're wanting is IC justification to carry off three sweps after killing me? Double standard.

Not really. Does it not make sense for my character to collect the guns of her fallen comrades from your dead body?

 

[vegetal]

fun idea: disable weapon drop in s2k and icly loot the deadbodies after s2k and have an admin give you the weapon after adequate rp

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

Honestly the entire ordeal would have been a better S2RP engagement.

Idk I might be wrong but I remember last time around S2K was reserved for specific events, also being a bit more rare than S2RP, I'd kind of like to see that return. It's a bit asinine that something that can be so much more problematic than an S2RP (at least imo) is so widespread now.

Honestly this thing just seems to cause more fighting and drama than S2RP, which can cause the same but it's more easily moderated from what I've seen.
Probably not the thread to say this in but uh. Yeah. Idk.

Yeah that, or everyone learning to not care what they lost/gained during S2K.

 

[Jchapsi5]

Not really. Does it not make sense for my character to collect the guns of her fallen comrades from your dead body?

That statement is flawed imo.
Sounds like a Dark RP comment. It's a serious rp server, and if you are going to collect anything no matter what it should be RPed physically and mentally to an extent.
At least I have some sort of sadness for a friend dying and you having to use his/her bloodstained weapon to take out the incoming enemies.

 

[Decaro]

Yeah that, or everyone learning to not care what they lost/gained during S2K.

Yes, so stop caring so much and give me the SWEPs. You don't want to keep them and acknowledge you care about them, do you?

 

[KestrelBirdMan]

Yes, so stop caring so much and give me the SWEPs. You don't want to keep them and acknowledge you care about them, do you?

I'll just wait till the administration responds with their answer, but I find it hysterical that in each of your posts it's concerned about you receiving the sweps and not about my "actions" that you've posted a ban request for. You're not here to get me banned, you're here for y-you're scr-scraptz.

 

[Decaro]

I'll just wait till the administration responds with their answer, but I find it hysterical that in each of your posts it's concerned about you receiving the sweps and not about my "actions" that you've posted a ban request for. You're not here to get me banned, you're here for y-you're scr-scraptz.

Yes, I w-want my scr-scripts, or I want you banned for refusing to give them to me. I also want some rules implemented to the S2K clause for future reference when something else like this happens.

 

[kiruclanz]

fun idea: disable weapon drop in s2k and icly loot the deadbodies after s2k and have an admin give you the weapon after adequate rp

in real life if i'm ever in a gunfight im not going to think "oh man whats gonna happen to my family, my future, etc"

no the first thing that'll pop into my head is "if i die i'll lose the gun im shooting"

(also pineapple if you wanna cont this discussion you should make a new thread this is a ban request)

 

[vegetal]

in real life if i'm ever in a gunfight im not going to think "oh man whats gonna happen to my family, my future, etc"

no the first thing that'll pop into my head is "if i die i'll lose the gun im shooting"

(also pineapple if you wanna cont this discussion you should make a new thread this is a ban request)

that post aka "give me more money so i can make more scripts"

anyway yeah sorry i'll stop

 

[valerstein]

this is why i don't parcipicate in srp anymore

 

[kiruclanz]

Real talk, though:

Why can't script items be used as tools for roleplay? As visual representation? Why are they only seen as tools as S2K, and you fucking cock suckers use them exclusively as such? Why has it gotten to the point where you associate any means of obtaining any sort of item as script play, because you fail to understand any other use because you show no personal interest in any other use?

Why can't we just fucking roleplay? Why do you buttholes have to ruin everything with S2K? Why not S2RP? Why do I need to ask all of these questions in the first place?

Let this dramatic situation be a lesson to all parties involved that S2K is harmful to the community and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. There were people killed in the S2K who were trying to roleplay and tried to escape your unannounced circlejerk, because you assholes NEEDED to play Stalker-themed HL2:DM for a few seconds, not caring how it effects the rest of the server.

I'm fucking sick of this bullshit. All I want to do is roleplay but S2K takes the priority to the point where I'm denied the ability to run my events because "there's too much s2k right now" or "s2k is planned later" how about go fuck yourselves.

Decaro, Kestrel, Floki; I enjoy roleplaying with you guys, but right now? Fuck you. Fuck all of you. Stop doing this shit because it's harmful to the community and you know it. Come on the server to roleplay. If you want to do anything else, fuck off and do it somewhere else.

/rant