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[ZRP] Ban Request

Discussion in 'Ban Requests' started by Sturbing, Oct 5, 2018.

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  1. Sturbing

    Sturbing Senior Member

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    OOC Name/s: Commander Potato, uwutm8, kasha.straw
    SteamID: (Potato) STEAM_0:1:65741037 (uwutm8) STEAM_0:1:57972788 (Kasha) STEAM_0:1:166258802
    Character Name: Dep. Elijah Harris, Jonathon Smith, Michael Webb
    What happened: Script Materialism (Swep/clothing fixating) Fear RP, creating toxic rp environment
    Time it happened: 18:00 EST

    Personal input: I'd just like to state that I know many ZRP players came from HL2RP and TRP, but this is supposed to be a more relaxed, simple server, the roleplayers taking on characters as Police Officers, Agents, etc. shouldn't be acting like Combine, CCA or COTA forces, there is no reason why cops should be telling other cops to "drop what you have, give us that" and so forth, it's becoming an issue, and it's unfair to the admins and no-roleplay staff to have to handle this, I play to have a good time, not fixate over scripts.

    Pictures/Proof: In-game chat log transcript...[BELOW]

    [PM to Jacques Clayton Leonard] I'm shaking so much rp.
    Josué Payoute: Shut the /fuck/ up, blan. He's arrestin' your dumb-ass.
    Matthew Neri (HonorDutyFidelity): [TO ADMINS] Holy shit this is fast af.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: He got power hungry.
    Park Kyung-Jun: What did I miss?
    Matthew Neri (HonorDutyFidelity): [TO ADMINS] Can't keep up with the rp.

    **Messaged Admins, this was a major event and I was barely able to rp with the people right infront of me.**

    * Hule Carmine scrambles for the m9, he's quick to stand up loading the handgun.
    [POLICE] Johnathon Smith: Hes a marshal, not a cop.
    [POLICE] Jacques Clayton Leonard: I won' front ye' fo' either answer.
    ** Matthew Neri Crouches down next to Rhodes "God dammit all."
    ** Rosana Leclair glances to Leonard, shaking her head.
    [POLICE] Jacques Clayton Leonard: A cop a cop.
    Rosana Leclair: [YELL] Jo'.
    Matthew Neri: Hule cover me please.

    **During the event I ICLY took the deceased Lt. Rhodes's M16 and Swat vest, while Hule Carmine protected me from anyone that may try and attack or swipe anything I was removing, which I would repeat again.**

    ** Matthew Neri slings the rifle over his sholder "Hule cover me while I check Rhodes..."

    Johnathon Smith: Webb's a homocide detective. Hand him everything Rhodes was wearing.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Exactly, there's no fuckin' rulebook for the god-damn apocalypse, Emerson!
    Meredith Emerson: We're creating one right now. Is this what you want in the Big Book?
    Matthew Neri: Lieutenant...
    Michael Webb: Neri hand me the vest.
    ** Meredith Emerson waves a hand at Rhodes' corpse.
    Matthew Neri: Hule.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Neri, don' distribute equipment.
    Matthew Neri: Watch Webb.
    Johnathon Smith: Its fur' the investigation, not to keep.
    Dep. Elijah Harris: It's for investigation, Captain.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: No, it ain' Emerson! But I ain' gonna' let so -... fine.
    Dep. Elijah Harris: For the man you shot.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Go a'ead.
    [PM to Hule Carmine] Just keep the M9 on both of them.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Fuck it.
    [PM to Hule Carmine] Both are fuckers.
    Johnathon Smith: Hand th' vest to the detective officer.

    **This is the initial point where the players began to gang up to obtain scripts without any reason to do so.**

    Michael Webb: Neri, hand over the vest now.
    Johnathon Smith: [LOCAL-OOC] you stepped between me when I was ontop of it aswell p. much
    ** Matthew Neri shoves Webb.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: [OOC] ** Leonard snapped around to face them, "HA ha ha ha! Big fuckin' joke!"
    [PM to Michael Webb] gtf away from me.
    [POLICE] Dep. Elijah Harris: Get Neri. Now.
    Matthew Neri: Captain.
    C.O. Drew Mathers: [OOC] **The two figures don't stick around to toy any longer. They scurry across the catwalks with haste.
    Michael Webb: u
    ** Meredith Emerson claws her way to her feet.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: What, Neri?
    Matthew Neri: Captain What's happening.
    ** Meredith Emerson holds a hand out toward Smith. "Give me that fucking thing."
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Bullshit.

    Michael Webb: Tell Neri to give me the vest.

    [POLICE] Johnathon Smith: Anyone who was with Rhodes and isn't a traitor. Arrest Matthew Neri for murder and stealing equipment from the scene.
    [PM from Jacques Clayton Leonard] did you leave ic
    [PM to Jacques Clayton Leonard] are you surrendering to them?
    [PM from Jacques Clayton Leonard] no.
    [PM to Jacques Clayton Leonard] I don't know what's happening e.e
    [POLICE] Johnathon Smith: He's an accomplice in the murder of Lieutenant John Rhodes, as is Captain Clayton and Inspector Emerson.

    [POLICE] Dep. Elijah Harris: Neri, get back here or I'm gonna fuckin' shoot you.

    **From both my perspective I wasn't even able to catch up with the RP because these players were more concerned with getting items than dealing with other [EVENT] scenarios going on at the same time.**
     
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  2. Commander Potato

    Commander Potato Senior Member

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    You started looting Rhodes after he was killed, who is a friend of both Elijah and Smith.

    I play Elijah, who wasn't even near the body. Both Smith and Webb had told you to stop, but you proceeded to do a /me for shoving Webb and then just ran off right before you disconnected.

    This doesn't have to do with scripts.

    Also, how did we break anything related to fear roleplay, and how are we creating a toxic enviroment?
     
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  3. toastmatic

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    [PM to Hule Carmine] Just keep the M9 on both of them.
    [PM to Hule Carmine] Both are fuckers.
    [PM to Michael Webb] gtf away from me.
    [PM to Jacques Clayton Leonard] are you surrendering to them?

    OwO meow what do we have here
     
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  4. LilSumac

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    incriminating yourself with metagaming PMs on a ban request you posted? this aint it chief

    if anyone looks like the script-grabber here, its you my guy
     
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  5. uwutm8

    uwutm8 Junior Member

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    Okay so uhm... you want me, and multiple other players to get banned because you weren't allowed to break multiple rules to get a M16?
     
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  6. Draxil

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    I'm loving the metagame.
     
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  7. toastmatic

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    Shitposts removed. Don't post unless you're an admin or involved in the situation. Waiting to hear back from Sturbing meow.
     
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  8. Sturbing

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    The whole issue is that I /a needed help because too much was going on for me to even realize what was going on right next to me. I had to pm players just to get up to speed on it.


    (When this whole thing started I had to ask for this help it was so bad)
    [PM to Jacques Clayton Leonard] can you pm me if you do a /me to me I can't see and nervous here.

    (That's what I saw and knew I wasn't gonna just hand anything over)
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Neri, don' distribute equipment.

    Matthew Neri (HonorDutyFidelity): [TO ADMINS] Holy shit this is fast af.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: He got power hungry.
    Park Kyung-Jun: What did I miss?
    Matthew Neri (HonorDutyFidelity): [TO ADMINS] Can't keep up with the rp.

    Honestly, I've been roleplay for a long time, but there are points when everything is up in the air, I can't type and react fast enough for everything going on like it was.
     
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  9. LilSumac

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    Okay, so you getting nervous and unsure of what's really going on is a separate issue. It happens, sometimes people are crammed together in a small space and the chat gets clogged.

    However, in your honest opinion, does that mean we should ban the other people involved because they were more up to speed than you were and were trying to emote at/with you? Why or why not?
     
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  10. McDankus

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    Honestly I'm a bit unsure what the issue is here. You went straight over to loot Rhodes corpse just after he was shot and killed by Clayton, which personally I would say is more akin to script materialism given the fact that your characters Lieutenant was just shot and killed by your Captain in a row. Whether Neri didn't care about Rhodes or not is beside the point, but I was sitting there for a good long while observing as Rhodes body and to be frank only a handful of people handled the situation properly. You've gave yourself away with this:

    **During the event I ICLY took the deceased Lt. Rhodes's M16 and Swat vest, while Hule Carmine protected me from anyone that may try and attack or swipe anything I was removing, which I would repeat again.**

    This, provided with my statement, makes it clear that in fact you and Carmine were the ones fixated on the scripts. I'll go on to include what everyone else has been saying:

    [PM to Hule Carmine] Just keep the M9 on both of them.
    Jacques Clayton Leonard: Fuck it.
    [PM to Hule Carmine] Both are fuckers.

    The fact that you were taking this whole issue into OOC, regardless of whether you were confused or not, shows that in fact you were the ones fixating on the scripts and in fact in the wrong. I know this because your character has constantly hounded Rhodes for better gear ever since becoming a cop, and you literally jumped on the chance to loot Rhodes moments after he died which, in my opinion, sounds a bit silly. Personally I would have considered most of the officers too upset, shocked or enraged to outright think "oof let's quickly take all the shit he has whilst he's laying there with a bullet in his head and half his head smashed up."

    You need to take a good look at yourself before pointing the finger at others. I think you've forgotten the IC fact that this is the outbreak, and most of the law and order shit has gone out the window. The cops aren't pulling some CA or CCA bullshit, they're portraying properly what some officers would do in those situations. Especially when they're in a crumbling PD where their Captain has just murdered their Lieutenant. People are going to prioritize stopping people they deem untrustworthy with gear. It's a schism. It's meant to happen.

    Regardless, if you're adamant on pushing a ban here, then I'd suggest you see a ban as well for the clear evidence of script materialism on your part if I'm honest dude. I'm disappointed to see the end of my character turn into such a fucking retarded mess oocly because of scripts.
     
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  11. Sturbing

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    Carmine wasn't even after scripts, as far as I'm aware he too was getting thrown for a loop, everyone seems to be missing the point, that because I did take Rhodes's things immediately after got Smith and Webb running straight to my face saying "This is a homicide investigation turn it over" and Harris giving the same demands via radio, repeatedly, doesn't that seem convenient? That because I went and did the act, they could just say "Oh we can take it off him" and how am I able to speak with the person I needed to (being Leonard) when multiple players are running up trying to take them.

    So I'm wrong for rping them to make sure civilians wouldn't get them and turn them over, but when the people who infact were all rogue Officers turn and say "Now this is an official investigation" they're right? I wasn't even able to see ICLY that Leonard resigned mid event, around the same time [EVENT] Saints shot at the crowds in the JTF... The fact is that had I been confronted after the events unfolded by the group, it would have turned out differently, I had to push a player away because we were under gunfire and they still seemed more concerned with obtaining what I had for "an Investigation" (Fear rp) because they were at gunpoint from Carmine and refusing to acknowledge that and continued to ignore it. Yeah I did ask Rhodes for things because that was what he told us all was his agenda before he died, to supply cops, and he said no, and that's how it was.

    I didn't make this thread myself, it was suggested I do from the admin staff I was in a sit with after the fact, which the items were removed and it was finished on that basis. Maybe I'm wrong to me it doesn't seem fair to players of all experience to come on, try and be apart of a big rp, and get mobbed for getting hold of something. Now that I'm bringing up a valid concern people are trying to say I meta gamed, having to repeat IC dialog OOC because there was too much being said? I don't know all the lingo, that best fits this situation. but if it seems bad that I had to repeat things I believed players right next to me missed, should I be ok with players power gaming saying "We'll kill you" / "Give us what you have now" for no reason?

    Like I said we are all here to have a good time and enjoy the events made for us and develop and integrate fun and unique characters, and I'd like to continue doing that.
     
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  12. McDankus

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    If we're all here to have a good time and enjoy the events then you don't need to make ban requests on players who are acting upon a situation. There's no proof that shows that they were being malicious oocly for scripts or they were just focusing solely on the ooc aspect of scripts. The logs you show however show that you were focused on getting those scripts first. What you've just said in this response is that you were acting out of IC, and the fact that Smith and Webb immediately tried to claim it was a homicide scene is on the basis of IC alone.

    You seem to be taking this way out of proportion for something that happened as a result of IC events. From what I've seen the accused party acted how their characters would. In a crime scene, the body is normally preserved and everything left untouched for investigations, so for your character to start grabbing at Rhodes stuff is what warranted such a response.

    In conclusion, I honestly feel this is a really stupid thing to be arguing over. They're fucking scripts, big deal. One party gets them, the other doesn't. You don't need to be making ban requests because you didn't like how things went, which seems to be what's happening here.

    What happened: Script Materialism (Swep/clothing fixating) Fear RP, creating toxic rp environment

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    These are your reasons for getting them banned. There are no logs that show any OOC to IC blend of script materialism on their part, only on yours and Carmines. As for Fear RP, you're expecting a US Marshal to get on his knees and beg when you're aiming a gun at him. Sure, Fear RP comes in various situations, but you fail to understand that some of these characters have seen worse shit like the dead eating the living, and whilst they may be a bit concerned for their well-being, they're not going to just get on their knees and beg. Harris himself showed this when Clayton held Rhodes at gunpoint, with Harris eager to prove himself innocent because he didn't want to be shot.

    As for creating a toxic rp environment, I saw no such issues with what happened yesterday as a result of being salty. If they PM'd you being toxic, it should have been brought to this ban request. As it stands, there is no evidence that you have to back up your claims, and it just seems like you're trying to punish others for acting sensibly and correctly in accordance to the IC and RP scenario that was given. In the end, the evidence you've provided has only incriminated -YOU- in the wrongdoings, which is why I still believe that a ban should be in place on you. Firstly for the offences you've outlined to the accused, and secondly for clearly falsely trying to set out a ban request on a group of guys who haven't done anything wrong outside of the In-character situation.

    As I said before, you need to re-evaluate what you're trying to say here or do. Because if you're claiming we're here to have a good time and enjoy shit, trying to make ban requests over fucking scripts and an IC situation isn't the best way to go about it. In fact it creates a toxic RP environment, which is exactly what you're trying to get them banned for.
     
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  13. pirate

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    For the record, while I agree with McDankus' post and this ban request is obviously bullshit - Harris and Smith pulling out the 'crime scene investigation' was an IC ploy to secure the equipment and use it to suddenly spring an arrest on 7dast's character and mine, hence their insistence on getting the weapons. They didn't "FearRP" because they weren't afraid.

    Enforcing "FearRP" is a fucking retarded concept anyway outside of very specific circumstances. The idea that all humans just melt into a puddle of easily manipulated goop when threatened by a superior force is moronic and as far as I can tell people only care about forcing "FearRP" when it would give them an easy win while entirely neglecting to portray fear in their own characters.

    Idk why you rated me winner Sturbing this post is not in support of you or anything you did here. I'm with Dankus on banning you for metagaming and generally being a bad sport.
     
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  14. Sturbing

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    I don't know the proper claims to make, I could have woreded it better, I wasn't given any direction on how to approach this thread or my concerns and never did this sort of thing before, so I ask for some leeway on portions that aren't clear, if there is something that doesn't make sense pm me and I'll reiderate it. Thanks.
     
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  15. uwutm8

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    The only rules broken in this situation was when you decided to use PMs to metagame and then proceeded to take scripts and run away with little to no RP and then disconnect from the server to avoid us arresting or hunting you down.

    In my opinion, it is clear that your sole focus was to obtain weapons to yourself. McDankus's statement that you hounded him for better equipment in the past only hardens my resolve to this point. In my honest opinion I believe you should of been banned, but I'm not going to write a ban request based on one situation, we are all here to have fun.

    Also, I don't think putting the dumb emote on every comment that doesn't agree with you helps your point.
     
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  16. Bastard

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    Carmine here btw, this kinda sucks that this is happening but was Hule in the wrong for going for the M9? I know its classed as evidence and that he should have followed protocol and that but he was mad over clay shooting Rhodes and all.

    I was there for the RP and honestly couldn't care for the scripts. Hule has his reasons IC to get better equipped but this wasn't one of them. I dont believe i was fixated on any of the scripts ooc, it makes it hard when someone is pming you about them.

    Only reason im here is that i was told i was being smack talked for taking it.
     
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  17. uwutm8

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    Picking up a sidearm during a shootout tense situation isn't wrong. Ye' did fine, the only problem was Neri when he somehow carried a SWAT vest and an assault rifle out of a scene and then dced.
     
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  18. Newticus

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    This thread is being locked. Nothing is being done. All of these issues were in character issues that were brought onto the forums.
     
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    Reminder that admins are not your enemies and will not vilify you for having a concern about another player’s actions. Our job is meant to moderate players to make sure they’re not bending the rules or stepping onto each other’s toes for their own agenda but sometimes it’s hard for us to catch that. If you do see this happening and no course of action is made, please, send screenshots, send names, send logs, right into the auth boards and the team will take the concern seriously. Do not wait until it is hard for you to grab evidence.
     
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