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(ZRP) Abusive Admins 2: An Alternative View.

Discussion in 'Ban Requests' started by 247-0006-0001 'Jimbo', Mar 12, 2019.

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  1. 247-0006-0001 'Jimbo'

    247-0006-0001 'Jimbo' Senior Member

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    OOC Name:
    gun food
    pvt. bing bing

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    pvt. bing bing: STEAM_0:1:57839960
    gun food: STEAM_0:1:24604993

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    Time it happened:
    9:00 PM Pacific time

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    (Referenced in 'What Happened' at appropriate times.
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    What happened:

    Introduction: To start off with, this was generally touched upon in a previous thread - however, for whatever reason, it divulged into something that was pretty much unrelated and the main reason I initially endorsed the thread to be created - and felt unfulfilled in the resolution as I felt there was a genuine problem that needs to be addressed.

    What Happened: I and four/five other players were playing Basketball outside of the Militia Base, we had stuck on some music and built a small court and was generally playing in the street and on the sidewalk outside of their Shelter. It was some fun casualRP and some OOC Fun as we were having a nice time playing Basket Ball.
    Initially, one of the CDC tier vehicles (assumed to be bing-bing but was actually gun food drove over once - and hit my character with his car and kept driving, killing me.
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    pvt. bing bing killed 0100110101100101011011010110010 using gmod_sent_vehicle_fphysics_base
    pvt. bing bing killed seafood sensation using gmod_sent_vehicle_fphysics_base
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    I thought it was pretty funny, and just a mistake - so sort of did not think much of it, and ended up returning to the scene. We all decided not to take it IC as he did not and just carried on playing.
    Then, a second vehicle came and almost hit us - we then noticed it was the same vehicle that had doubled on itself around the block and then a third time we all rushed to get off of the road - where the vehicle mounted the pavement and drove at us, killing another person.
    The admins did not communicate a thing the entire time, and when the vehicle came AGAIN we stopped it with the Physics Gun to stop a fourth VDM from happening.
    At that point, I was picked uplifted into the air and then dropped to my death, damaging an item in my inventory.

    Since we had seemingly stopped their fun, Bing decided to fly over - without saying a word to anyone and started just deleting all of the props the 'Militia' guys built inside of their base - leaving it completely baron and there work unsaved and undone after three or so hours of building.

    The Admins then acted shocked when people retaliated, a large chunk of those left online speaking up - the OOC time was then increased to disallow public argument, and to give the admins free-room to slander the view of the situation into their favour, which, devolved into arguments of 'Cool it Kids' and 'You just want guns' which, you can see is an easy break-away being used in the other thread by both sides.

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    I generally do not care about the items, ideological argument - but more have issue with the actions of the Staff.
    In all honesty, it was an absolutely disgusting display of abusive behaviour that as someone who is generally new who came here with hundreds of warnings from other players that the Admin Team has massive issues with both player communication and commitment pretty much gave a spine to arguments I considered to be biased opinions.

    Watching Admins mow down people in cars, then tell people they don't need scripts to roleplay with their self-spawned muscle cars, and inventory full of weapons aside.

    I believe this is an absolutely genuine case of Admins needing to be disciplined by their higher-ups in-order to help improve quality-of-life on the server in the future.

    Some of the more pressing issues were how these Admins acted towards players. Literally flying in, killing people - garnering a reaction then muting and kicking people before actively destroying their work without a word builds the image of a bunch of vultures sitting on the sidelines, waiting to pick away at everyone else.
    The worse part is the implication of SETTING up the situation.
    As I said, the admins seemingly BAITED the reaction of players stopping them from VDMing then kicking and slandering them in OOC - this is perpetuated further by how the admins actually WITNESSED the construction of the base at first, came and spoke to us for a good ten or so minutes (arguing with Village about guns or something) and seemingly felt that at that time the base was fine, and did not immediate removal.
    Instead, they waited until the entire project was actually finished AND THEN decided to move in a delete everything after garnering a negative reaction from everyone.

    One of the worse parts of the situation is the lack of thought behind it. The 'Militia' group is made up of around 10 people, so, it's quite literally a chunk of players affected by this close-minded, and downright shallow approach.
    Ultimately, I don't even know WHY this had happened - literally shutting down an entire group of people because you disagree with what they were building? Alright?
    I think this points out my main issue - which is the absolute lack of care to transparency - if you had an issue, you should have SPOKE to us, not just fly over and delete this dude's entire build AFTER kicking him.
    It seems super-underhanded to kick the guy, then delete all of his work while he was not looking.

    I've actually really enjoyed my time here up until now, and, very - very much hope that I come out of this with a positive outlook.
    I'm happy to speak about my concerns and explain what I've written in further detail on Discord, as Voice leads to better communications - something that I think needs to be improved on the parts of the admins involved.

    Hopefully this case gets resolved neatly.
    Thanks.
     
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  2. Mr_Cookie1311

    Mr_Cookie1311 I love alot of cookies

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    Finally a professional complaint about the situation which I completely agree with. For instance this hasn't been the first time admins driving around running people over and killing them with m4's and a minigun mounted ontop while there are 14 people online.

    I find it disgusting that the administration just mutes, kick, ban and even take away flags after multiple OOC requests to stop the vdm and the minging around. You are literally baiting players to pick up your car and throw it away because you drive like a maniac ruining experiences for the players that make the community and the server. It's time that admins stop with kicking people with just the term "Gay"/"You too","fuck off". Come on you guys are the example for the server. Players should look up to you think okay that's the way how I should behave. Even if it's for shit and giggles you should stop when players ask to and have some common sense when you are fucking over players experiences.

    You guys should act professional and make sure everyone is doing Ok. Deleting someone's hard work because you think it's "Not realistic/Not allowed by admin team" is immature. We are all here to have a fun time the admins are also here for a fun time but now just cutting off players deleting their hard work just because you have a other opinion on the matter is a definite no go.

    Of course the other side also had a wrong reaction and continued to fuel the fire. Both sides did something wrong and those things should be addressed. Open up your minds and think before you act! (Does my action have a negative influence on the others?/Will I ruin someone else's experience by my actions?)

    I'm not with this group but I do think it's a cool group with a nice idea and opinion on the matter. It's a new group that gained a lot of members even though not having any thing on the forums. Maybe come to a agreement instead of forcing your "opinion" on someone..
     
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  3. Rabid

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    The base was removed probably because you'd somehow established an entire settlement in the middle of a suburb taken over by the National Guard complete with an armoured van and processing centers, to quote the other thread. It wasn't fitting. People are allowed to prop-build but there's an obvious sensible limit there and having an entire fortress in the middle of Brooklyn isn't that - especially when several people expressed you wanted guns to literally try and fight them.

    Given the prior attitude regarding the weapon situation I can't imagine the conversation would have gone any smoother than that if it'd have been pointed out that there's no feasible way the Nat. Guard would have allowed such a setup to exist, especially not with clearly hostile intentions in a time of crisis. I definitely can't imagine you'd have accepted it after staff checked back in on your build and found it far beyond the point of common sense. That isn't a knock on you personally, more the attitude I saw in the last thread.

    The other groups who have weapons are either law enforcement or have earned them by hooking up with the right people and actually engaged in criminal activity for the past two weeks. Beyond some gangs (who end up shot or arrested) the rest don't exactly flash their weapons around or make problems with the military.

    Your group, if you'd have gone ahead, would have been wiped out the moment you started confronting the soldiers while armed and aggressive. Escalation would have ended badly for your group and it'd have led to more complaints.
     
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  4. brim

    brim another nana disappeared

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    Talk to me in Discord then I'm sat in general chat.
     
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  5. Mr_Cookie1311

    Mr_Cookie1311 I love alot of cookies

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    Again it's not about the guns in this topic, stop making it fucking about guns!. I'ts about the whole situation, the VDM, the way admins handled the situation.

    No offense but you guys are making a "reason" to excuse yourselves. If those players didn't pick up that car and threw it onto the ground after being VDM'd multiple times it wouldn't lead to administration instantly deciding "no its not OK bye bye work". It's not about the building neither the guns. It's about the way how administration handling it and again you guys are dodging the point of this thread. Even if it wasn't logical/realistic in the server admins had the opportunity to stop them 3/4 hours earlier...
     
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  6. Rabid

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    Your making a false equivalence. Your build wasn't removed because they were mad at a truck being flung, it was removed because of what it contained - it wasn't fitting and was probably just noticed when they flew back over. It made absolutely no sense that it would have been allowed to spring up at all right under the Nat. Guard's nose.

    Suddenly there was an encampment with an armoured truck, processing centres and god knows what else that were somehow ran and managed by a self-admitted hostile militia. That wouldn't fly.
     
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  7. 247-0006-0001 'Jimbo'

    247-0006-0001 'Jimbo' Senior Member

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    You've dodged the point of this thread and failed to comment on the actual issue, which was the case of abusive admin behaviour.

    A Fortress is an inaccurate description as our defences were made up of 2 fences and CCTV, but, that is besides the point.

    To help not turn this thread into the same unfocused mess then the other one I'd ask you rebuttal the main topic, and - if you are adamant on that the build was the most important part of the situation, ask that YOU defend the admins on where I commented:
    "The admins waited for the entire project to be over, actually watching over us while Cole built stuff and felt that it was unnessesary to step in at the time"
     
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  8. Rabid

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    Because after the attitude they got when they tried to sort out a prior issue within that group they probably didn't want to get into yet another argument for thirty minutes with multiple people about how this was absolutely reasonable to have in the middle of the suburb.

    To reference the prior thread posted, the attitudes displayed were atrocious and yet the admin team kept trying to be civil. I can't imagine they wanted to get into another debate that wouldn't have been relented on.
     
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  9. Scouser

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    What Rabid said is true, but to be blunt I think this all could've been avoided if the admins involved had given the players involved a warning or two that their build wasn't appropriate for the server and that they'd have to modify/remove it.

    It also seems absurd to say it, but members of the admin team probably shouldn't be repeatedly killing people with cars when they're trying to roleplay.
     
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  10. Mr_Cookie1311

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    Exactly this! warnings should be "LOGICAL!". Warnings are a way to give people a chance to realize their mistake and edit it!
     
  11. 247-0006-0001 'Jimbo'

    247-0006-0001 'Jimbo' Senior Member

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    Post Notes:
    Had a chat over Discord, and managed to sort stuff out.

    I'd like to thank everyone for the quick replies and being smart with there wording and stuff. Really good shit, and good to act respectfully to one-another despite the differing opinions.
     
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  12. brim

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    You're welcome.

    Locked.
     
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  13. pvt. bing 'b' bing

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    I’d like to talk with you on discord once you have a chance, as the current timeline of events you have don’t really line up with how I remember things.

    I will admit that I vdmed seafood sensation twice on purpose as he was in a different area of the map and bhopping like a madman. The other fella was an unforeseen casualty as I was on my way back to the club, whereas your street is on the way. Like you said, you were playing basketball in the street and with the tickrate I couldn’t exactly stop on time before nicking the guy in the road.

    I’d also like to make it clear I wasn’t the one who deleted your props.
     
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  14. Ammo

    Ammo Jason Killer does not exist....
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    I was the one who deleted your props.

    I had already told you the night before last that it makes no sense for you guys to be setting up stuff like that. I’m not on my computer but I can fetch the logs of “Cole Jones” running up and spamming local out of character with “you can’t get in here it’s locked ic” four or five times when I had taken your previous alleyway fort ic.

    That put a sour taste in my mouth and so as I flew over and saw what you guys had built this time, I was surprised and annoyed because I had already told you that it doesn’t make much sense to be building stuff like that already. You guys didn’t have simple little cctvs and fences. You had props with like “ONE MEAL PER PERSON PER SIX HOURS” in a cafeteria and in the shipping crates had props that read. “FULLY STOCKED MEDICAL SUPPLIES” and “PLENTY OF FOOD” etc. it was ridiculous.

    Perhaps I could have spoken to you guys but the response i had gotten before told me that it wasn’t worth it. So I deleted the stuff, sorry if that upsets you.
     
  15. pvt. bing 'b' bing

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    @247-0006-0001 'Jimbo' is a cool ass dude, glad we got to talk it over. I'd like to apologize anyways if you and your group felt targeted by admins with the cars that hit the couple of you. I can assure you it was in no bad blood if it did seem that way, then an apology is in order.

    The administration really does try their best to accommodate and support all player made groups by supplying them and giving the guidance, but as seen in the previous complaint a few bad apples can ruin the show for everyone else.

    New players are always welcomed and cherished, but a mutual respect between staff and players is always a necessity and desire when it comes to working with them to help set themselves up for the future of their stay.
     
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