[Suggestion] Shorter range on Target Finders

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  1. Disorder

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    Even since this item has been implemented some issues started popping up. For example anyone who tries to do any kind of recon and hides can be seen as much as the fog allows by skynet drones, practically left at their mercy if they are dicks or not.

    Over the last week things have intensified even more up to the point where people started arguing about it, hence why I decided to make this suggestion.

    How about we just lower the range of the outlined targets? Outline them if they are only close by as that could make some sense.

    What do you guys think?
     
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  2. Pew

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    or make them as theyre intended: normal binoculars with a zoomable function, range meter and a compass bearing
     
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    or just encourage skynet players to have more leniency, and punish them if they're repeatedly finding and mowing down every tc patrol they come across
     
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    If I'm on my drone and using rangefinders I just ignore and give a heavy dose of leniency to anyone hiding or attempting to hide. Just because the script lets me see them doesn't mean I want to screw them over if they are putting in some effort to not die.
     
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  5. Disorder

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    I do that too but you can't always rely on common sense with people, involving admins does nothing more but give them more work to do when they could focus on more important stuff like roleplaying.

    Reducing the range will solve everything without putting more load on others.
     
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    critical thinking moment:

    can you see their playermodel?
    if yes: bang bang baby; if no: dont shoot them

    is their hitbox smaller than a pixel on your screen?
    if yes: dont shoot them; if no: they're probably still not in range i dunno

    critical roleplay thinking moment:
    are they prone in the dirt or otherwise harder to see?
    if yes: you cant see em; if no: prepare to eat lead, meatboy
     
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  7. Snaparoni

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    this could be a nice plus.

    over all though more leniency would be nice with spotting people. it sucks knowing every patrol will just get target finded to the case where theres no point leaving bp. even if the script isnt adjusted its just a pain.
     
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  8. shinzokk

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    remove the fuckin box it draws around someone's entire body if 1% of it is sticking out around a corner

    problem solved
     
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    give it to humans

    problem solved
     
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    the way i like to use target finger is to know exactly where ppl are so that you can get close enough for a good ol spook but not so close that you are forced into an encounter.

    imo you should not be using it in combat. the problem here isnt so much with the tool as it is with some skynet players who feel like it is their job to punish ppl for being anywhere other than bp. some maps are great for having lots of cover and alternate routes. others u really need to just put a lampshade on that team of TC crouch-walking across a desert and give them some room.

    just a little reminder:

    and if ur only able to see that green box in the target finder and not the player's model a. they most likely arent aware of you and b. for all u know they are hiding.

    yes robots have thermals ICKly and can see a gnat from three miles away but thats not friendly to rp. chill it unless ur being told to be hyperaggressive
     
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    For real I didn’t even know these existed til earlier today why do skynet players need an esp
     
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    So, I'll see about making some kind of, guide line I guess. Make a plausible range of view when using the TF on certain drones, at least the most popular ones. 500's to 800's.
    Part of the TF is it gives distance between you and a point you look at, so simply seeing that "Eh their not in X range so I won't see them on my 600" might be helpful.

    I'll need to do testing on what is reasonable for drones. Though we also need to take into context that people will abuse this, but not in intelligent ways, such as taking pot shots outside of a drones view range repeatedly, and getting upset when the drone decides enough is enough.

    @scone it was added from someones donation and for what I know from its time, and was giving to SkyNET as well. It was useful in its heyday for long range emoting, as it tells you names and armaments and shortened the back and forth of "O what Watt is that" and "Hay who is that guy I'm physing" Thats how I believe is /should/ be used, but people tend to use it as a catch all for finding random people trying to hide. While I can buy that on a 800 doing S2RP, as I believe the general thing accepted is that its not so much a IC SkyNET ESP but more like a mix of database and biological scanning, I don't think 600's should use it to spot people and "accidentally" stumble into them over and over again, because a arm was sticking out of a wall.

    I'll make a effort to clamp down on the excessive usage of the TF to find people if its out of your drones IC capability, but it will be difficult as its hard to ignore the information you get OOCly from this device.
     
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    Regardless of changes that get made to the script, if you have solid accounts of drones not following drone RP 101 or causing trouble in general, take it up with a member of the SkyNET robo-secretary squad SkyNET command. We're happy to lend a hand.
     
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    To bound off of Kiwi:

    If drones are doing things you know, or believe are against Drone 101. Collect evidence, logs, screenshots of positions, and other testaments. Either PM them to Myself or put them into the SkyNET Feedback area so they can be reviewed if needed. I know some drones added have caused issues, and I believe snipping these thorns off before it gets to a boiling point is needed.

    We are always open to 600 apps and take on many people to help fill out the lines of skynet, and later have to vet them for flag removal. This process is hard to do alone, so any help the community can provide on troublesome drones can help keep SkyNET, for the most part, consistent and fair for both sides.
     
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  15. Davebrown

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    The tool works absolutely fine.

    If there are issues it lies with the players using them on the Skynet side.

    Its not being changed.
     
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    ladies and gentlemen, the browninator.
     
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    The target finder already prints out a distance to target/aim. From what I briefly checked, 100 is a good bit of distance and seems like a pretty solid area to know of targets If it's above 100, don't even "see" it. Check your distances before firing I guess. Once you get around 50 in range, that's definitely s2m/engagement range.
     
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    I didn't even know this was a thing. Huh. I'd love to use it to spook kids, it would make the initial setup of a scene much easier.
     
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    To bound again, but off Malum:

    https://www.taconbanana.com/forums/skynet-feedback.358/

    It is a bit hard to prove abuse w/ a target finder because it's basically an ESP and in my opinion has a crazy range. It's useful for finding names for S2RP and targets for S2K, though. Yet if you think a drone is abusing this or really anything, please don't be afraid to post a thread here. They can only be viewed by staff and SkyNet command.
     
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    oh i meant the rangefinder that tc uses for thermal, the target finders are specifically for terminators so yeah i agree with dave, if someone's using that enhanced perception to overwhelm people trying to hide then it's an administrative issue

    i still stand with getting rid of the TC's thermal camera
     
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    I don't know why everyone relies on thermals now in every situation. When I remind people the NR doesn't show up (at least, not clearly) they act like it's active camo or something.
     
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    there hasnt been any official post anywhere saying it so idk if u can really blame people for going off the rumors
     
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    Yeah, but the problem is that posts in the past have been pretty unclear.

    When someone says "It looks distorted" it implies it's still visible, if it's a soft blend then someone actively searching for them should reasonably be able to find them. I don't think there's a problem with the TID itself, but the approach people have taken with NR and their relationship with TID, the script shouldn't have to dictate all the minor exceptions that are made in RP.

    If this is too off topic feel free to delete it.
     
  24. Ammo

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    Who thought it was a good idea to put thermals on every gun and scope anyways



    Wait

















    Oh
     
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    And why orange and blue instead of greyscale with white
     
  26. Davebrown

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    **gets loads of cool features pushed for TRP**

    **everyone starts to complain about cool features due to misdirected concerns about the people using them**

    **remove cool features????!!**

    This is like saying ok some skynet players are abusing their high armour values to s2k people excessively......we should remove their armour so it dosnt happen right
     
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    No one asked for their permanent removal, we just asked for the range to be lowered to a more decent distance. What does it give you besides a big advantage to spot anyone that moves as much as the map fog allows you?
     
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    Does that mean dogs can be unbanned so long as we all promise not to abuse this fairly important part of the lore like that one person who did
     
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    the question is, how long until someone makes a T800 dog hybrid
     
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    upload_2019-1-10_8-21-20.
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    The race is on.
     
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    p easy i could just attach a t800 body to the skeleton rig of a mutant dog from SRP

    dont push me

    ILL DO IT

    AND YOU WONT BE ABLE TO STOP ME
     
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    can my char get in on this

    realtalk tho dave more nonhumanoid skynet would be cool
     
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    Everything about what you just said is terrifying.

    I wouldn't even need to worry about FearRP I'd be scared for real
     
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    lmao

    but they would be easy to kill litearly
     
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    real talk dave you want rebecca striker 2.0 robot bogaloo?
     
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    I know we asked for new support drones but not like this dave

    My only problem with this, is that nowhere is this (the uniform properties or specific use cases) defined. Until limitations are written down, why bother enforcing some nebulous interpretation of “oh btw u can’t actually see us lmao”
     
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    The two biggest issues I've seen with drones using the targethud are:
    -Drones not respecting people that are trying to sneak around.
    -Drones calling people out when they're nowhere close to those people.

    Some drones are on a learning curve and require some quick teaching while others are just being pointlessly unfair.
    People who are the latter will just get their targethuds removed.

    @Davebrown
    If you make a T-800 dog don't forget the reprog version as well <3
     
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    I open my wallet.
     
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