Bring Back Stream Radios

Discussion in 'TRP Development' started by Mox, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. Mox

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    Making its own thread 'cause I don't think an off-hand reply that took me forever to find is going to get much word out for the duderinos in charge of plugging it into the box.

    If it's performance that's the issue, don't let people use them in S2K. Same way people shouldn't use the advanced particle tool in S2K.

    Advance Particle tool can easily single-handedly crash the server with some of the larger particle effects, and that's trusted to everyone with advTT. The most stream radio does is give a good ol' crunch at your frames if there's too many and maybe irritate people if it's used frivolously. That's when you take it away.

    We used it in HL2 to simulate playing music on old recovered pieces of music-devices like MP3 players and walkmans. In interrogations on my cop, I'd use it to set the tone of the experience with some eerie ambiance. Sometimes in the sewers I'd have radios playing the sounds of rats quietly going about, and water dripping from the ceilings of the tunnels and echoing throughout. It sets the tone of roleplay so well- it's greatly underestimated.

    There are a thousand ways you can use it for good and only a fraction for ill. And the fraction for ill doesn't bring a great deal of problems that can't be undone with "lemonhead has removed your advanced tooltrust"
     
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  2. The Red Menace

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    I'll pay money to make this happen
     
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  3. Drewerth

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    I second the previous statement.
     
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    you guys pay money for this i pay money for simphys
     
  6. Mox

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    should have sat in the couch after you killed them
     
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    no.
     
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  8. Mox

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    would you like to elaborate
     
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    added for next restart
     
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    ok should be on now
     
  12. Scouser

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    as long as we remove it from anybody who plays slavic rap

    /me cough's at @Raklo @Nitra
     
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    What about Gruppa Krovi
     
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    When the secret SRP project that myself and fellow SRP lovers Bennet and Nec have been working on launches at the end of July then you can play Gruppa Krovi
     
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    make it double
     
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    hol up a w h a t
     
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    I'd be in favour of adding them under the provision that abuse will get people kicked and their TT removed. There are certain events where sound effects or music add to the atmosphere but they don't necessarily correspond with what's going on elsewhere so this would be useful.
     
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    when people abused their radios on hl2 i removed them and gave them a slap on the wrist there was only one instance where i had to actually remove their tt it’s highly moderable but idk how it is on trp...
     
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    Radio non-supporters are like your elementary school when they banned long scissors and monkey bars after "the incident" except instead of a lawsuit they're afraid of Russian music
     
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    bring back slavic rap
     
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    the abusers will be dealt with - we really just need to ask the right people if they're personally up for it
     
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    I DEMAND THIS BE ADDED I NEED IT
     
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    There are much worse things you can do with tooltrust anyway. There's a folder of bombs in the Garry's Mod files that we're allowed to spawn from...
     
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    It has nothing to do with music taste, it has everything to do with being considerate to other players. All types of music are inappropriate in some situation or another. Some music is inherently cacophony whether it's good or not.

    I love this song...

    ...but I recognize that it's loud and disruptive, and if I'm playing this so loud that I'm disrupting roleplay two or three rooms around me, that's an abuse of radio. While there's a time and place for this kind of music, most people don't want to listen to it and you have to be considerate that other players don't share your music taste or simply don't want to hear it at the moment. I've been guilty of this on a number of occasions (at least once with this exact song). Your music might be a cool soundtrack for your character preparing for battle or something, but it's probably unfitting and obtrusive when the roleplay a reasonable distance away has a different tone entirely. Also consider that music doesn't need to be blaring on another client's speakers to convey that music is blaring nearby IC.

    If your attitude is the prevailing attitude of the playerbase on streaming radio, you might want to step back and think about why the current administration appears averse to the idea of streaming radio instead of assuming it's a bias against a particular type of music. Streaming radio can enhance immersion and provide roleplay in and of itself, but that cuts both ways as it stands to cause just as much harm as it does good.

    tl;dr streaming radio is a double edged blade and it isn't that hard for you to type "/me blares blood type because my only exposure to kino has been grand theft auto"

    the only way streaming radio is gonna be added is if trp admins are stricter with tooltrust than hl2 admins were
     
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    loud radios can be a starter for rp if treated right but theres a time and place for it
     
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    Man I was just joking
     
  28. Drewerth

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    Restrict it to event flags.

    People will be less willing to lose those.
     
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    makes sense, you never were very funny
     
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    With MY administration privileges I'll will make sure no heretics shall tarnish stream radio on server
     
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    i dont get why stream radios seem to be such a problem for getting on TRP. Everyone is making a big fuss that people will abuse them but on half life 2, after the first week of people going around bopping to nigga nigga nigga they got taken seriously really quickly. I just think that throwing in flags for the sake of it when radios never seemed to be such a big problem to begin with, it feels a bit contrived.
     
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    This lad said something smart let's make it happen to celebrate
     
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    the revival nears

     
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    Kudos to Raklo for strengthening the anti-stream radio argument with one post :)

    e: actually yeah unless you have a more serious view on Raklo/Nitra's slav rap than I do, I can't remember stream radio really being abused at any point.

    Taking stuff away from people when they abuse it is the sensible thing to do rather than not having it around just in case.
     
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    Stream radios are cool, but what they add to a situation when used correctly versus the amount of incorrect usages that are 100% going to happen is not worth it.

    Most people don't even realize that having your radius over 800 (or even 600, if I'm being really honest) transcends parts of the map in ways that you'll never really understand.

    I made a shit ton of garbled radio broadcasts and musical radio stations with resistance information for hl2. I spent hours doing that work, but I still think that while I could add a few cool elements for ambience, the trade off was having my immersion completely ruined for 95% of situations they were used.

    At best, it adds minorly to a situation's ambiance. At worst, you'll be hearing music from fourteen different people being played all over the map. I can't tell you how many times people who are claiming that "there was never any bad usage of the radios" would stick an invisible radio to the ceiling of some room and let some ear-raping meme music play. Don't add this.

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    Nat, you can disagree w/ me all you want, but I clearly remember you abusing this thing with meme music.
     
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    yeah how the fuck is jules supposed to have slav-radio on repeat 24/7 without stream radio cmon people smh
     
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    Because the demeanor people have towards TRP is less serious in most cases compared to HL2.
    That and there would be a learning curve to using the radios in general for a decent portion of the server population.
     
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    Doubtless at the least stream radio should be available albeit as an admin-only tool given what has come to light from HL2RP veterans who recall its abuse.
     
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    I would just delete all radios with the q menu when that happened. That's especially useful when the music wasn't inherently obnoxious, but they forgot to delete the radio when they left.

    I think it could work on TRP as long as there's a stricter barrier to entry, and people are willing to take it more seriously than they did in the past
     
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  40. Newticus

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    Give it to admins only so that people have to request admins to spawn one with a specific link?
    That way it's only used properly and an admin has to approve of it?
    I can just see that getting annoying for the staff.
     
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