STALKER Roleplay & Community Update Announcement

doog said:
I don't know how much you know about STALKER, but there is more than 1 "official" faction on SRP. There are more antagonists than just mutants, etc. Not going to hate on TRP here but there are differences between the two that go way beyond "TRP with mutants," lol
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Bro when in anything I just said did I say SRP could only offer mutants? It was a fucking quote. I know how many factions are in Stalker, and if everyone reading this thread right now were to play we'd have (Maybe) 5 players a faction, but that's something I don't even give two shits about.

Phantasma said:
I really don't think these things are as intertwined as you're making them out to be. There's a lot of folks here waiting the wings that just don't care about TRP, regardless of it's execution. They're not offering SRP as some kind of plan B to compensate for TRP's stagnation. SRP is plan A for a lot of people that still poke their heads around TnB now and again hoping we'll return to a setting they give a fuck about. It's not about reallocating resources; I don't think. It's about tapping into a latent source of interest that has gone unattended to since 2016.
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Thank you for trying to make an effort to read what I say and conversate, not even being sarcastic. I understand that a lot of people on TNB don't want TRP, and that there's even more who are holding out for SRP, and even if TRP was always just a thing we were doing to buy time, which I don't think it was, there's still something inherently offsetting about announcing a brand new server in the time where the current one needs the most attention and support. From my perspective, and the perspective of some others I've spoken with, it's like salt in the wound, or driving a knife further.

If raising my concerns about a server I've enjoyed is doomsaying than you might as well consider me TNB's new resident emo. I'm not wanting to disrespect the people working on SRP, or the people who want it. Nor am I saying SRP Is a bad setting that people won't enjoy, I think SRP is certainly a valid setting. All I want is to gain some concrete reassurance that TRP won't be dumped the moment we turn it off, because with the way things are right now, that's how I feel it'll go.
 
Lambda said:
Bro when in anything I just said did I say SRP could only offer mutants? It was a fucking quote. I know how many factions are in Stalker, and if everyone reading this thread right now were to play we'd have (Maybe) 5 players a faction, but that's something I don't even give two shits about.



Thank you for trying to make an effort to read what I say and conversate, not even being sarcastic. I understand that a lot of people on TNB don't want TRP, and that there's even more who are holding out for SRP, and even if TRP was always just a thing we were doing to buy time, which I don't think it was, there's still something inherently offsetting about announcing a brand new server in the time where the current one needs the most attention and support. From my perspective, and the perspective of some others I've spoken with, it's like salt in the wound, or driving a knife further.

If raising my concerns about a server I've enjoyed is doomsaying than you might as well consider me TNB's new resident emo. I'm not wanting to disrespect the people working on SRP, or the people who want it. Nor am I saying SRP Is a bad setting that people won't enjoy, I think SRP is certainly a valid setting. All I want is to gain some concrete reassurance that TRP won't be dumped the moment we turn it off, because with the way things are right now, that's how I feel it'll go.
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I may or may not concur with your current ideology, my friend. You see, in this base reality we have options to either proceed with life or get bogged down from chained leashes that are bound to us by politics and bankers. Our movements restricted and confined to our invisible and illogical contracts that bind us to be their slaves forever. Even our future children will face the same fate unless we break out shackles by destroying and taking down the government, in such, will usher in a new age of freedom.
 
Phantasma said:
I really don't think these things are as intertwined as you're making them out to be. There's a lot of folks here waiting the wings that just don't care about TRP, regardless of it's execution. They're not offering SRP as some kind of plan B to compensate for TRP's stagnation. SRP is plan A for a lot of people that still poke their heads around TnB now and again hoping we'll return to a setting they give a fuck about. It's not about reallocating resources; I don't think. It's about tapping into a latent source of interest that has gone unattended to since 2016.
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This really hits the nail on the head.

SRP is something many TnBers have either never experienced, or experienced a very long time ago and have been waiting for it to come back. Something fresh is what TnB needs right now and I say need in a very dire way. While I'm well aware that my own handling of TRP past the first couple weeks was pretty botched, what I realized pretty quickly was that the spirit I had for it (and in turn, many other people too) was nothing more than running off fumes from TRP 2 rather than enthusiasm for a new iteration.

Bennet stated it pretty plainly in the original post of the thread that TRP will have time to wrap up in a satisfactory manner that the team agrees on, and then will have a time and place to relaunch when we and the team determine that it's appropriate and will be beneficial to both the community and the server itself. I can't say when that'll be and how far out in the future it is, but it'll definitely have a chance again later on.

I do wholeheartedly understand the frustration that a few people must feel about TRP not being seen fully through, and the criticism that we've not been very committal with servers isn't one undeserved in any case. Hopefully with the fresh release of SRP and the aforementioned community changes we're hoping will help usher in a much broader revitalization in the community beyond just a new server and a couple weeks of high population, the issue of the community going through so many servers so rapidly and having to abruptly end player and admin stories alike won't be so burdensome anymore.

Believe me when I say that I also understand that just a few forum posts promising 'changes' can seem hollow, but I implore anyone who's in doubt right now about it to stick around and see what's to come.
 
Roaper Roaper will you be coming back?

e; Also skylion skylion
Linux said:
...There really isn't any trust left between players and admins which means that keeping things hidden in the admin boards isn't going to excite interest or intrigue in the players. Every time in recent memory that the team has said, "We have stuff in the works, get ready," all that I hear is groaning about how this will probably be no different than last time and why even bother. If you want to motivate players that have an issue trusting in the team's workflow then you have to be open about the planning process and what's in the works to help measure expectations and give people an idea of what they're getting into.
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I am dedicated to transparency, which is exactly why we chose to announce at this stage, rather than let the inevitable whispers get out. This was only confirmed two days ago, the planning discord was only set up yesterday. Today it went from 5 members to 30. Right now we are working on organizing the team. Trust me, there will be transparency.
 
That transparency is coming soon, but transparency doesn't translate to revealing ideas and concepts before they're fully agreed on by the people putting in the work to make it all happen. SRP was just announced and that's the first step in revealing what's to come. Also like Pirate said, SRP itself was only fully agreed on to be the next setting two days ago.

If anyone want to be all doom and gloom about it regardless then there's nothing I can say or do about that.
 
Linux said:
Roaper Roaper will you be coming back?

e; Also skylion skylion
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Linux is right. I want to trust that SRP will be different, and that TRP will get it's fighting chance

skylion said:
Hopefully with the fresh release of SRP and the aforementioned community changes we're hoping will help usher in a much broader revitalization in the community beyond just a new server and a couple weeks of high population, the issue of the community going through so many servers so rapidly and having to abruptly end player and admin stories alike won't be so burdensome anymore.
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These are just words to me, not that they aren't valid or that you're lying, but I have no reason to think SRP will be any different than TRP.

Can we see finite evidence of what has or will change? Can we get something to hype us as a community and assure us that the stupidly simple slip ups of TRP won't happen here?

skylion said:
but I implore anyone who's in doubt right now about it to stick around and see what's to come.
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Barely played HLNA, I was only apart of TNB then in quiet waiting for TRP3, I believed the promises then about the completely new direction on TRP and all the different worldbuilding, plots, and so on that were being prepared. Now we're here.

At this point, I'm just as tired of advocating my point as pirate pirate is, I'm starting to see why rule #1 of tnb is don't talk about tnb.
 
i wanna make a point of saying that rusty is taking time out of his extremely busy, extremely important day job, to not only lend us a script and set up a game mode for a community he has never sincerely played at, but is willing to help with keeping TRP afloat via bug fixes to eternity, all for free. there was absolutely no intention whatsoever to push TRP out of the ring or sluff it aside. we know that TRP is something that this community has nostalgic and current passion for, and a lot of folks have worked really hard on it to make it the great setting it is.

one of our goals with bringing in a new setting is changing the way the moderation structure is practiced. by promoting professionalism, sincerity, and collaboration, we can help deal with glaring issues of admin discontent and absolutism that has caused a downfall in server populations in the past. as skyrim mentioned above, by enforcing teamwork and promoting strong, respectful conversations, we can work towards the common goal of having TnB thrive as a community again. one of our main reasons in making the announcement sooner than later was to snuff out potential rumors, whispers or otherwise controversy that could come out of developing a new setting under wraps and out of the public eye. transparency is one of the things that helps communities build trust in its mods, and we're trying to start implementing that standard. as pirate mentions, this is really young in its development. we haven't been sitting on this for more than a week.

Lambda Lambda , I think you are very fair in your concerns, and I don't think it's fair to call what your posts are "doomsaying". from the outside looking in, it really does seem like another "TnB rolling the dice on a new setting for pop". i want to emphasize that in announcing a new setting, the intention is to reinvigorate general community participation. like I mentioned above, we have an extremely talented developer on our hands that wants to assist TRP script side so the ball of motivation can get rolling again. rusty and pirate wouldn't be stepping in to the ring if the goal wasn't to help revive and revitalize TnB after what feels like a nearly year-long lull.
 
Lambda said:
Linux is right. I want to trust that SRP will be different, and that TRP will get it's fighting chance



These are just words to me, not that they aren't valid or that you're lying, but I have no reason to think SRP will be any different than TRP.

Can we see finite evidence of what has or will change? Can we get something to hype us as a community and assure us that the stupidly simple slip ups of TRP won't happen here?



Barely played HLNA, I was only apart of TNB then in quiet waiting for TRP3, I believed the promises then about the completely new direction on TRP and all the different worldbuilding, plots, and so on that were being prepared. Now we're here.

At this point, I'm just as tired of advocating my point as pirate pirate is, I'm starting to see why rule #1 of tnb is don't talk about tnb.
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What is it exactly that you want or expect, man? We're talking about a server that doesn't formally exist yet. It's all words at this phase. A statement of intent is all we can offer, that and the fact that TRP is still up as we speak and the developer behind SRP is willing to help out with it as much as needed. I don't know how to satisfy you right now, at this very second, yet the substance of your posts appears to be a demand for just that. There seems to be literally no way to assuage your concerns without a time machine.
 
When we're ready to announce more, we will. I don't have anything beyond my own words to give you right now because we're only two days into the planning process. Most people understand that this isn't something you can just rush out and I hope that's respected here.
 
Chiss said:
i wanna make a point of saying that rusty is taking time out of his extremely busy, extremely important day job, to not only lend us a script and set up a game mode for a community he has never sincerely played at, but is willing to help with keeping TRP afloat via bug fixes to eternity, all for free. there was absolutely no intention whatsoever to push TRP out of the ring or sluff it aside. we know that TRP is something that this community has nostalgic and current passion for, and a lot of folks have worked really hard on it to make it the great setting it is.

one of our goals with bringing in a new setting is changing the way the moderation structure is practiced. by promoting professionalism, sincerity, and collaboration, we can help deal with glaring issues of admin discontent and absolutism that has caused a downfall in server populations in the past. as skyrim mentioned above, by enforcing teamwork and promoting strong, respectful conversations, we can work towards the common goal of having TnB thrive as a community again. one of our main reasons in making the announcement sooner than later was to snuff out potential rumors, whispers or otherwise controversy that could come out of developing a new setting under wraps and out of the public eye. transparency is one of the things that helps communities build trust in its mods, and we're trying to start implementing that standard. as pirate mentions, this is really young in its development. we haven't been sitting on this for more than a week.

Lambda Lambda , I think you are very fair in your concerns, and I don't think it's fair to call what your posts are "doomsaying". from the outside looking in, it really does seem like another "TnB rolling the dice on a new setting for pop". i want to emphasize that in announcing a new setting, the intention is to reinvigorate general community participation. like I mentioned above, we have an extremely talented developer on our hands that wants to assist TRP script side so the ball of motivation can get rolling again. rusty and pirate wouldn't be stepping in to the ring if the goal wasn't to help revive and revitalize TnB after what feels like a nearly year-long lull.
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pirate said:
What is it exactly that you want or expect, man?
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This, exactly what Chiss Chiss said. He took the time to explain specifics on the changes that are being made, rather than simply saying "were making changes guys trust us we're doing it."

It helps me to be more invested into this server when I can see that you have actually laid out plans to account for the issues that TRP had, which I can now clearly see you have through what Chiss explains.

Chiss Chiss thank you for not coming out of the gates calling me a 'doomsayer' or saying 'lol stop talking bro your concerns are meaningless' at the end of the day I care about this community just as much as anyone else, and because of that I decide to come here and spell out the issues I have with x or y, and my concerns on how it could impact a or b.

pirate pirate I'm not trying to make a point to shut you down or make the effort you're putting forth seem null and unreasonable. I'm simply trying to lay out the things that I'm aware and concerned for and gain some insight onto how you plan to navigate those issues. Transparency is a good aspiration, because of what Chiss said, I feel more willing to put in time and effort to be apart of this, and not feel like we're just chucking TRP out of the window for the sake of replacing it.
 

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