Pirate

the term "random death matching" indicates that it was random, as in some guy in the middle of town with a makarov goes on a shooting spree. i don't think RDM covers provoked reactions.

why would i randomly start capping people. it's obviously not random and i'm not doing it to be malicious. i'm trying to protect my roleplay from someone who is attempting to break it. i shouldn't be forced to acknowledge "yeah my character is hallucinating and interpreting your car as a rhinoceros so the reasonable thing to do is pick up a lead pipe and bash it and ignore being shot at/hit with a baseball bat/run over" as valid roleplay.

defnotpirate said:

the term "random death matching" indicates that it was random, as in some guy in the middle of town with a makarov goes on a shooting spree. i don't think RDM covers provoked reactions.

why would i randomly start capping people. it's obviously not random and i'm not doing it to be malicious. i'm trying to protect my roleplay from someone who is attempting to break it. i shouldn't be forced to acknowledge "yeah my character is hallucinating and interpreting your car as a rhinoceros so the reasonable thing to do is pick up a lead pipe and bash it and ignore being shot at/hit with a baseball bat/run over" as valid roleplay.

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Hellfang covered this pretty well in his community address I think m8

no idea wht you're talking about?

That's a very idealistic point of view, but the simple fact of the matter becomes that when an admin isn't on, none are going to get on, and your roleplay is immediately being ruined, you're far more likely to tell someone to go away in a very direct way than to simply allow it ruined, then wait for a very large nothing to happen tomorrow when the administrators are told because: "Well, I wasn't there, so I can't really do much about it" This is in no way satisfying; even less so than "Well, we'll deal with it" and then for nothing to happen. There is a very, very large difference between deciding that everyone on the server needs to be gunned down instead of roleplaying and doing your best to make that happen and trying to roleplay when someone comes up to you and begins punchwhoring you before you gun him down.

Youve worded it better than I could have hoped to do it myself but idont expect anyone to listen to it

David Heinrich said:

That's a very idealistic point of view, but the simple fact of the matter becomes that when an admin isn't on, none are going to get on, and your roleplay is immediately being ruined, you're far more likely to tell someone to go away in a very direct way than to simply allow it ruined, then wait for a very large nothing to happen tomorrow when the administrators are told because: "Well, I wasn't there, so I can't really do much about it" This is in no way satisfying; even less so than "Well, we'll deal with it" and then for nothing to happen. There is a very, very large difference between deciding that everyone on the server needs to be gunned down instead of roleplaying and doing your best to make that happen and trying to roleplay when someone comes up to you and begins punchwhoring you before you gun him down.

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For someone claiming it's an idealistic point of view you seem to be putting up no better of an argument yourself Heinrich. Either way you're all just diverging from the main issue which is, as the rules are understood, both parties have broken them.

We can debate the finer points of 'When is RDM appropriate' in another thread at a later time, here really isn't the place to do it. (Hint: Only when an admin says it is)

Also, I was on the entire time and you could have contacted me today, but instead I only heard about what happened when Triangle !a'd it in.

Paladin Cactus said:

Also, I was on the entire time and you could have contacted me today, but instead I only heard about what happened when Triangle !a'd it in.

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I didn't consider there to have been any serious issue (certainly not one worthy of calling in an admin) until triangle began literally obstructing our roleplay

This is stupid.

Ban Clavier for two days for baiting.
Ban Pirate for four days for repeated (R)DM in multiple cases.

Solved.

For someone claiming my argument is poorly made, you seem to have put up no argument whatsoever, Hawg; perhaps that's because you don't really have one. We can't debate the finer points of this at a later point in time, because you don't really have an argument on this and I doubt you'll ever be able to formulate one.
(Hint: Administrators are not gods, they're mostly just teenagers, and they make mistakes literally constantly. They're in no way above normal players, and are in fact below them, because the normal players are who they're meant to answer to.)

Wilson said:

This is stupid.

Ban Clavier for two days for baiting.
Ban Pirate for four days for repeated (R)DM in multiple cases.

Solved.

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Not solved...

That's stupid.

Fact of the matter is, Clavier was baiting, received a reaction, now used that to make a ban request on Pirate. Obviously RDM'ing shouldn't be done but it wasn't actually anything that bad, just a way to get rid of a guy who kept pestering him. It's being labelled as "it's bad because it's bad".

If Clavier would have taken the hint and just not went back to pirate (fully knowing he would get shot again), then none of this would of happened. Not to mention the fucking around he committed prior, which Pirate mentioned.

I might sound biased since I actually like Pirate but tbh someone should just come in, tell them to stop being dumb and lock the thread, then leave it.

David Heinrich said:

For someone claiming my argument is poorly made, you seem to have put up no argument whatsoever, Hawg; perhaps that's because you don't really have one. We can't debate the finer points of this at a later point in time, because you don't really have an argument on this and I doubt you'll ever be able to formulate one.
(Hint: Administrators are not gods, they're mostly just teenagers, and they make mistakes literally constantly. They're in no way above normal players, and are in fact below them, because the normal players are who they're meant to answer to.)

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Probably because this is a ban request and you're driving it off-topic looking for a debate, Heinrich. I don't deny that Admins need to be taking responsibility more frequently around SRP but I can assure you when there are dozens of alternatives that whipping out a SWEP and spraying someone down is the least justifiable of all of them.

My original method of refuting your point stands that RDM, even when it is 'justified' in some people's eyes, is at it's core disruptive of not only your own roleplaying but of those around you and as such should not be taken as any kind of resort admins lacking or otherwise.

what would you have done? Dont' say "call an admin" because thats a bullshit cop out answer. The admints werent answering when I tried which is why i shot him.

defnotpirate said:

what would you have done? Dont' say "call an admin" because thats a bullshit cop out answer. The admints werent answering when I tried which is why i shot him.

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You'll be surprised to find that when you take people being idiots IC and give them flak for it IC either they respond with RP back or just leave.

Your original method of refuting my point doesn't really stand, because the person fucking with you is also disruptive of your roleplay and the roleplay of others. It's the situation of you getting punchwhored or a guy named Nick Digger running up to you and asking for a watermelon that fucks things up, not you gunning them down. They are the ones, in essence, starting the situation. If there are, in fact, dozens of alternatives to somebody being actively disruptive, I'd love if you could list them instead of vaguely referring to them as though they were some sort of mythological beast and you a History channel cryptozoologist. As for driving this off-topic, I'm not sure why saying that someone baiting another person into shooting them by fucking with them OOCly so they could make a ban request about it isn't the same thing as coming onto the server and gunning down thirty people for no reason is off topic to this particular request.