Durriti - Avoiding roleplay / claiming bias

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What I'm saying is though, this shit isn't uncommon for Rob to do - in fact this is what he gets caught out doing. Rob gets drunk and does utterly stupid shit while seeming entirely cognicent and in control even when he's wasted (except when he snaps like he did). This was very likely the case last night.

There's no real way you can 'accidently' shoot at a 'bot you've baited for a while right outside your base and run inside.

Like if Dreweth wanted to get to Murphy couldn't he just have shot him and not let him RP hiding? Or busted into the cell and took him?

You make valid points. I just cba with the shit recently. As I said we've had multiple metagaming attempts, mainly around the Murphy situation. Alongside that we've had issues with drones camping and all that good stuff.

The fact that Durruti has yet to comment is what's holding this all back. I figured I'd at least comment on behalf of the group, so our stance was at least clear in conjuction with the rest of the situation
 
I mean his voice did sound familiar in discord... I wouldn’t be surprised if it were rob. Also, ease off the shit posting and the one liners. If you don’t have anything legitimate to post. Please don’t, thanks guys.
 
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I think you're underestimating how deadly an 800 is in S2RP unless you idiot-balled yourself for their sake. Literally nothing except .50 cal, massed LMG fire, explosives (depends) and plasma can reliably damage one at all. Everything else they just wade through with varying degrees of annoyance.
My point stands from the logs. People do stupid shit, they get fucked. This isn't a situation of a minge leadijg a drone back, but someone capable of roleplay to a degree.

So I don't know your mentallity of the beast here but mine is that opwn negligence should be handled strongly. People are scared of the unknown on this server and it kills the attitude.

As a former admin you should be aware of how matters should be handled in regards to bots and the like.
Was never an admin at TnB.

Furthermore it's suspicious that you seem to have used this as an excuse to look for Murphy. We've already had issues with you and other memyers in TC trying to locate Murphy after ooc knowledge that The Coalition has him came to light.
Never have I once joined a Murphy search party.

You even said in the vc to Durruti and a few others that you'd get your way into Murphys room after Durrutis char stopped you and moos blatant attempts too metagame and gain access inside.
@The Red Menace @Detective Zero can confirm I wasn't even in the VC last night. Also read my lohs, I went into Murphy's room and he walked in and said he was there IC. I literally said he'd have probbaly heard me being there so he could've just hid and it'd all be gucci.

I feel like this is due to your recent ooc attitude in TRP in general after loosing out on that Bravo Lt position to Ohyeah.
I have clarified multiple times that if I was offered Lieutentant I'd have forwarded the proposition to Legit Muffin because he wrote our squad policy.

Where in your mind did you think it was reasonable to march an 800 into the metro during hours where there were few people on?
Yes, as do several admins it seems. I'll be frank, if 5 people were on (1 800, 1 admin, 3 players) and the situation happened I'd still request authorization to head down because the playercount is not an IC bar on stupidity.

To be quite frank I can't be arsed with any drama but Drewerth apparently deemed it fit to make a mound out of a mole hill on this one
Maybe if he didn't make a mound out of a robot with a player not out for blood looking through the Metro.

If he'd have wanted to kill anyone he'd have gone in shooting, not looked around and told someone to Rp hiding.
This is what I tried to comvey through the LOOC. I went in knowing he could be the only one there but if he hides then he hides.

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I don't take pleasure in capturing or killing because not much comes out of it and TC rescue parties happen too often, I'm glad they've died down a little. Unless you tried to slap me with a pipe a la Kyle Reese T1 there's a 90% chance I'd leave you be or give you a minor booboo for some RP.

Like if Dreweth wanted to get to Murphy couldn't he just have shot him and not let him RP hiding? Or busted into the cell and took him?
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] what
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] oh, youre in here IC?
Murphy: [LOCAL-OOC] Yah...
Murphy: [LOCAL-OOC] No where really too hide....
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] just do your emotes and whatnot. im not here on a manhunt
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] If you'd like to hide, be my guest as youd hear me rummaging through other rooms. If you'd like to be captured, it's up to you.
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] i dont think you can get under it oocly
T-800.6842: [LOCAL-OOC] just emote it and youll be fine

The logs clarify that one best. He walked into the room after I broke a locked door down and physgun sat down.

Hell, I was super confused at first.

I'm not actually malicious and I certainly don't take the options of Mendoza or Kapuliek onto my drone. That's a scummy thing to do.
 
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Imp Imp Oh my point was that it's a whole different beast to march an 800 into a group vs a 700 or a Sixer. I wasn't saying you did anything wrong so much as "I can understand why they'd be concerned given it'd be a massacre".

That being said now I know it's Rob he was probably drunk as fuck and did his usual.
 
Imp Imp Oh my point was that it's a whole different beast to march an 800 into a group vs a 700 or a Sixer. I wasn't saying you did anything wrong so much as "I can understand why they'd be concerned given it'd be a massacre".
Oh yeah, I know they're fucking beasts but I'd still use my better judgement about what's appropriate in combat. I expect people to act their part as well and understand the dangers of what they're fighting against.
 
the administration may let some permabanned players play on new servers.
the administration of any sub-community of tnb always reserves the right to take this privilege from people should they abuse it.

May I remind you that whilst the preceding statement offers the possibility of a 2nd chance it is not to be taken in a literal way. There are those, regrettably, who aren't worthy of such an opportunity. We tend to deal with these matters on a case by case basis as has been the way since the beginning of the current TRP.

Now onto one of the other issues presented by this topic.

Whilst authorisations are required for Drones to attack Baseplate or an established Playerbased Group 'Safe Haven' there are times when the obligation for authorisation may be waivered.

One of these occasions is if someone who is deemed semi-competent, chooses to engage a passing patrol, no matter the series, and then chooses to quickly bolt into the protected base expecting to be untouchable due to the restrictions placed on Drones. It is times like these that you can't surely expect a Drone to just sit there and give you the 1,000-yard stare. This is one of those situations, so even with or without authorisation Dreweth hasn't done anything wrong from a Drone sense.

If you take the knowing risk to knowingly engage a Drone in the open and then allow it to follow you back to somewhere considered a 'protected place' then you can't attempt to cower behind authorisations if they then enter such place, especially when you are given several opportunities to hide as they conduct a search.

It is only when someone who is not as competent or those newer folk begin to pot shot and attempt to lure Drones to BP or a 'Safe Haven' where you then are required to gather authorisation to begin an assault. This is merely to prevent a shitstorm ensuing in /a or //


Onto another issue. Durruti potentially being RobGraves.

Unfortunately, I don't have the privilege to personally know who they are, nor have I experienced their pros or cons primarily because I was on a hiatus from TnB for several years due to work commitments and other life choices. Regardless, reading through this thread I can see via people's opinions and perspectives that it's clear to see that RG isn't held in the highest regard. I feel it's best we at least give Durruti the opportunity to reply to this thread before a final judgement is passed, especially seen as he's not read this thread yet.
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Finally, can we keep the CCC's and the Ban Country to at least a more than a sub-par standard of response. Please refrain from the continued shit-post and potentially worthless '+1' or shit banter as they'll be swiftly deleted.
 
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"I'm just having Skyrim post this because I'm out and about, but like I've said, I don't hate Drew. I felt really disrespected by his recent attitude about Bravo OOCly, which is a driving factor in why I stopped playing my TC despite the fact that it was rumored that I was going to be made an NCO. I did try and put a lot of effort into making MG certs fun, getting people involved, that sort of thing, but there's just been a serious stagnance that's been happening reently with TC's where it simply isn't fun for me anymore, and I find myself much more intrigued by exploring my options as Mick on my Coalition char. But, everything I say there, I basically mean - I reached a tipping point with Drew last night purely because of the situation (Which I am in the wrong for, I was straight up minging, sprinting around, and totally not focused on RP, mingeshot at the guy and ran and went AFK to go grab some food in the metro. Tbh, I didn't know it was Drew, I thought it was some random drone, at least not an 8. had I known that I would've no-shit taken the time to actually RP it out. Most of my distractions that lead to stupid situations are probably traceable back to the sheer amount of time I spend on mic, getting fully distracted from the actual RP to have chats with people that I enjoy speaking with - but it's quite obvious that I need to break from that from however long is needed, since I personally don't want to sow any discord are cause any issues. I don't know if I'll play as a TC or whatever in the future, but I think for right now since I'm sorta busy with IRL shit, I'mma use that as an excuse to break from RP. Now, as far as the aaccusations of me being an alt, I legitimately never knew the guy you're all talking about save for some off the wall stories I was told over VC (which doesn't surprise me given the other crazy shit that has been orated to me as having gone down here)."

"Really the only thing I was able to do was to post a time and name-stamped picture of my rifle, since it's really the only unique identifying photograph I've ever sharedwith the community, but I shared that with Jules. Other than that, there's really no other way for me to try and say that I'm not some ooc infiltrator or whatever (lmao) other than just existing here. I'm really sensitive to stress and drama when i feel fairly ostracized, so I'm just gonna leave it at this and go about my business. Final apologies to Drew and to anyone that had to deal with my frustrated ass."

honestly he's not a bad guy from what i've seen and this is the first stink he's been involved in, so far. from what I heard in VC last night it also sounded like the guy very genuinely thought Drewerth was fucking with him on an OOC level by going through with the RP in the metro, so I doubt any of this was an attempt to scum his way out of something unfavorable for his character - if anything, it was him trying to argue his away out of something he OOCly viewed as unfair. it's very common for people to get emotional over something that happens in RP

i don't know if it's rob graves or not but honestly he's not causing any problems and it seems like people are saying "fuck you" just to say "fuck you". if he isn't doing anything malicious and can prove he's able to play the server like everyone else there shouldn't be an issue - since permabanned players *are* meant to get a second chance with this server. if he goes back to doing everything he used to do, send him to the appeal section

Abaddon Abaddon bless us with the end of this thread plz
 
i meant this is the first stink he's been involved in on this account or whatever bro......

from what i've seen he's been fine on trp, and honestly he didn't do anything *bad* in this situation either
 
from what i've seen he's been fine on trp, and honestly he didn't do anything *bad* in this situation either
This is kinda why, as I said above, using alts as a clean slate or a chance to prove good behavior is a poor decision.

Like nobody is gonna sneak back into the community and not be on their best behavior if they're gonna hide, y'know? To me it doesn't show change it just shows that he's good at pretending to be someone else and flying under the radar by pretending to be a normal player.
 
mate he has like eight unban requests
i'm not denying that and i'm not saying he didn't deserve those bans, because for what it's worth he DID have a problem. what i'm saying is that now he's actually been alright and he was fine on fugitoid for a decent amount of time as well

as long as he doesn't start drinking the guy will be fine, but ofc i could be wrong

Rabid Rabid yeah, it's a piss-poor decision i agree - i think he just wants to prove he can be proper. from what i understand he's making an effort to disassociate himself from 'robgraves'

he's making a post rn i think
 
I think while the drinking may be a catalyst to a great deal of his problems at TnB it is by no means the sole reason as to why he is banned.
 
He started fucking up, though. And knowing how it always goes, he's not going to stop.
 
from what i understand he's making an effort to disassociate himself from 'robgraves'
I think the problem is mostly how he conducts himself tbh. He realizes he's fucked his reputation far too many times (eight to be exact) and after his last account was caught he went off on a spiral about how "when I want TnB I get it" and "I'll just keep making alts".

To me it isn't a matter of him wanting to change so much as being pushed down a path because he can only keep digging his hole deeper. There's a point where I think you kinda have to shrug and accept that after eight appeals and three accounts that all went under for the same behavior that some people can't change.

Rob gives genuinely good Rp for a while, then he declines into chaos because he starts drinking and coming on server and reminding people why the honeymoon period never lasts.
 
don't let this situation reflect poorly on those who are trying to create rp outside of tech comm and baseplate

on the matter at hand, though - we can treat the accusations of being an alt seperately from the roleplay avoidance scenario - arguing them both in one place is a hot mess

durruti did have some claim to the illegitimacy of the raid cuz there was no one home oocly to defend other than mick and murphy, but they did not properly state that as their reason for refusing to participate
the 'ic guards' rule's hadn't been renewed on trp yet because this is actually the first instance where we would have needed that rule to protect the situation

REGARDLESS of ic guards, mick/durruti acted negligiently by attacking a terminator and leading it to their base
it was crummy of them (durruti) to bring things ooc and start a confrontation over something that could have been negotiated in looc, and more so to use the Raid Auths as a shield, but i can kind of understand why they protested given there was no one to back them up - taking me back to my first point

durruti/mick's actions ended up having consequences. i don't believe this scenario warrants a ban, so much as we be more mindful of situations like this in the future, HOWEVER, durruti is not off the hook for any investigation of them being an alt

i hate talking like a lawyer
 
Right, so I’ll just come out and say it, since there’s no point in hiding it, and I’ve come out and said it to a few now, but yeah, I am RobGraves.

And the reason for this is not because I wanted to ban-evade to be malicious, to be sneaky, to even try and trick anyone.

Largely, what I’ve been trying to do, is dis-associate myself with Rob Graves as a person. Completely, wholly. I’ve gone so far as to almost completely abandon my original steam account, remove myself from friend-circles (save for TNB) that I’ve been a part of, and try to assume new names, new identities, and make new friends in different communities.

So, when I say that I’ve done this iteration of lying and being evasive not to hurt anyone, but to get back in touch with me trying to prove that I’m not trying to repeat over, and over, and over again the mistakes that I’ve made in the past.

Yes, I have a drug abuse problem. Nowadays it’s moved slightly further away from being a drunk, and more or less weed and pills, because I was removed from the Army due to a pretty serious injury that has almost all of my lower body in severe pain. Nerve damage, and a serious infection in my foot that’s essentially. Besides this.

Considering all my dirty laundry’s been aired out in front of this community time and time before, I don’t really feel so uncomfortable overhsaring bits and pieces of my life with any of y’all anymore, because I do honestly trust (most) of you, and I don’t hate a single person in this community. It’s been quite some time since I RP’d, and a while since I came back as Durruti.

I went so far as to up and abandon basically everything I had in MA, everything in KS, move out to Washington state, and start my entire life over, with a new group of friends, and a new culture of people that have basically taken me in, and are understanding of where I come from – and I believe that that’s one of the major reasons I haven’t really been bad, so to speak.

I’ve largely become completely and totally separated from the “Tough-guy Army brazen “merkan warrior” type of shit that I spent so long basically trapped inside, which gave me a very toxic, rough, edgy, and quick to anger mentality. Moving out here to Portland and far more progressive areas, I’ve gotten support from a lot of people that I never figured I’d ever find myself around.

Do I expect this to really change anything? Not necessarily. I miss y’all, and I have a lot of love for everyone in this community, since it’s a great way to get to know people from all around. But, I’m aware that there are tons of people here that I probably have a lot of love for, that really hate my guts. I’m trying my hardest to distance myself from my past. Sometimes, little bits of it poke up through, and I have to take a concious stance and remind myself to not let the be me, and not let that shit happen again, because honestly, the last few years for me have been hard-up to the degree where I can’t even remember most people who remember me. There are entire chunks of my memory that are missing because of my lack of self-control, something that I’ve been struggling with my entire life.

Now, this isn’t meant to be a sob-story, but I think certain situations do deserve context. There’s really not so much anything else that I can do to explain the situation that I feel that I am in, and there’s obviously no way to “reverse” the assholish behavior I’ve cast onto other people years and years ago. I don’t like being sneaky and evasive like this. I don’t want to be seen as a liar. People don’t deserve to build trust in an individual like me, only to have it completely and entirely shit on when word gets out that I am who I am. But, I feel there’s absolutely no other way, other than taking a shot in the dark here, and trying to explain myself, self-critique, and public apologies, to try and “show” that I legitimately want, and really, honestly need to leave the Rob Graves egotistical bullshit somewhere far, far away. I do, but the last two instances of this, I’ve felt that I’ve had no way to do this, no way to show this, besides assuming different identities. Rob Graves is some child shit that needs to be left behind, I’m more than old enough to be responsible for my own actions, but I don’t physically know or understand how to try and prove to this community member that I am making a solid attempt to leave all of this shit behind, without going about it in a way that, well, isn’t exactly Orthodox.

Tl;dr, at this rate I’ve become completely aware that I don’t want to be “Rob Graves” or seen as the “Rob Graves” that I was 3-5 years ago. I don’t know how else to prove that I can leave that shit far behind me, other than, well, assuming a new identity. This time, I more or less immediately came back to the Discords to speak with my old friends, because I knew eventually that this would come to light – and I just wanted to meet with people, meet new people, make new friends, because even if I made friends with people that hated me, maybe that’s good for me. To clear the air. Remaining friends with my old friends, also good. And making new friends that maybe never knew me as RobGraves, also good.

I’m just sorry I had to be evasive and a sneak in order to do it.
 
Yes, I have a drug abuse problem. Nowadays it’s moved slightly further away from being a drunk, and more or less weed and pills, because I was removed from the Army due to a pretty serious injury that has almost all of my lower body in severe pain. Nerve damage, and a serious infection in my foot that’s essentially. Besides this.
man you gotta realize that when you're dealin with real shit like this you shouldn't be on TnB. It's part of why you've been kept banned for so long.

When Bloo told you on the last thread to, "Seek professional help" he wasn't kidding.
 
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